The New Official April 2005 Goat Format Thread

[Ynusgridorh]

I - Why you should play Goat Format

- "Why You Should Play Goat Format" by Kris Perovic
- "A History of Competitive Play: April-October 2005" by Patrick Hoban

II - What is Goat Format?

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- IMPORTANT RULINGS

ADDITIONAL RULINGS:
- Until 2006: If a replay occured, the battle step is reset and the turn player can not only choose a new target but also a new attacking monster.
- Until 2006: Last Will has to be activated before the monster is sent to the graveyard and has to apply its effect in the next open gamestate.
- Until 2008: Reinforcement of the Army, Skilled Dark Magician, Thunder Dragon and Toon Table of Contents can activate their effects without "targets".
- Until 2008: Continuous traps with non-continuous effects like Royal Oppression can't activate their effects in the same chain they are flipped.

CARD POOL:
- Pre-Exarion Goat:
- Exarion Goat: + (featuring )
- Cyber Dragon Goat: + + (featuring , and )

PRE-ERRATA CARDS:
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III - What to use in Goat Format

- Kris Perovic's Goat Control (most famous deck of the format)
- Deck gallery
- Playable cards ( and are missing)
- Cardpool filter

IV - How to get better at Goat Format

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- Goat Format interviews

V - How to play Goat Format online

- Manual duel simulators: https://www.duelingbook.com/ / http://www.lackeyccg.com/ / http://ygopro.us/
- Chat room: https://discord.gg/HKhVnM2 (copy the full link)

To access Yugioh cards with LackeyCCG:
- Copy this link: http://www.lackeyccg.com/yugioh/high/updatelist.txt
- Go to Main menu > Run game plugin installer wizard > Paste auto-update URL and install

Useful shortcuts:
- Ctrl + D = draw
- Ctrl + C = new game
- Double click: switch card position

Tips:
- Make your own shortcuts by going to Preferences > Key bindings
- Don't type a card name directly in the search bar but copy it somewhere and paste it there to avoid lags.
- Disable the sound of the public chat by going to Preferences > Sound.
- Declare an attack by simply taking your card and putting it on your opponent's.

Recommended custom shortcuts:
- A = switch to attack position
- D = switch to defense position
- F = flip over
- C = add a counter
- R = remove a counter
- Ctrl + T = spawn card (token)

[Inti]

First subb and this guide is a bit more organized then the last one.

[MachineMadness]

Subbing I guess

[Inti]

a goat deck I slowly been building in my yugioh gx duel academy gba game.

Monsters:17
1x Airknight
1x Breaker
1x Cyber Dragon (will probably add another one)
2x Dekoichi
1x Jinzo
3x Magician of Faith
1x Marshmallon
1x Morphing Jar
1x Sangan
1x Sinister Serpent
1x Spear Dragon (replacement for Exarion)
1x Tribe-Infecting Virus
2x Tsukuyomi

Spells:17
2x Book of Moon
1x Delinquent Duo
1x Giant Trunade
1x Graceful Charity
1x Heavy Storm
2x Metamorphosis
1x MST
2x Nobleman of Crossout
1x Pot of Greed
1x Premature Burial
2x Scapegoat
1x Snatch Steal

Traps:5
1x Call Of The Haunted
1x Mirror Force
1x Ring of Destruction.
2x Sakuretsu Armor
1x TT


Fusions:18
1x Barox (filler)
1x B. Skull Dragon
1x Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon
1x Cyber Twin
1x Darkfire Dragon
1x Dragoness
1x The Last Warrior
1x Master of OZ
1x Meteor Black Dragon
1x Ojama King
1x Soul Hunter (filler)
3x Thousand Eyes
(Filler)

Note this game is LOB-CRV,has no Exarion/Asura Priest -_-, and slowly getting staples thoughts on it so far? Also this deck is not tcg goat legal

[Ynusgridorh]

I've never played any Yugioh video games and I don't know how they work but this deck is definitely not Goat Format legal. Marshmallon wasn't out in the TCG until 2007 and Snatch Steal wasn't at 2.

If the game is LOB-CRV then how come you can't use Exarion Universe or Asura Priest? It doesn't make sense.

Your deck is missing a lot of Goat Control staples and has way too many bad cards. Just netdeck Kris Perovic's list and go from there.

[Inti]

Originally Posted by Ynusgridorh

I've never played any Yugioh video games and I don't know how they work but this deck is definitely not Goat Format legal. Marshmallon wasn't out in the TCG until 2007 and Snatch Steal wasn't at 2.

If the game is LOB-CRV then how come you can't use Exarion Universe or Asura Priest? It doesn't make sense.

Your deck is missing a lot of Goat Control staples and has way too many bad cards. Just netdeck Kris Perovic's list and go from there.

Whoops meant to say 1x Snatch Steal and yeah I know its not goat legal I probably should of mentioned that as well even though Marsh was goat legal in the OCG (also the game has cards that were ocg at the time). Yeah I don't know why the game has no exarion or asura I assume it was due to space and like I said I plan to add staples and get rid of the useless junk with better cards.
Also I plan to post my competive goat deck I made changes to on dn.

Additional Comment:

Monsters: 19
2x Abyss Soldier
1x Airknight
1x BLS
1x Breaker
2x Exarion Universe
1x Jinzo
2x Magical Merchant
2x Magician of Faith
1x Morphing Jar
1x Night Assailant
1x Sangan
1x Sinister Serpent
1x Tribe-Infecting Virus
2x Tsu

Spells: 15
2x Book of Moon
1x Delinquent Duo
1x Graceful Charity
1x Heavy Storm
2x Meta
1x MST
2x Nobleman Crossout
1x Pot of Greed
1x Premature Burial
2x Scapegoat
1x Snatch Steal

Traps: 6
1x Call Of The Haunted
1x Mirror Force
1x Ring of Destruction
2x Sakuretsu Armor
1x TT

Fusion:15
1x Gatling Dragon
1x King Dragun
1x Last Warrior
1x Dark Blade
1x Ojama King
1x Ryu Senshi
2x Dark Balter
1x Fiend Skull
1x Reaper
1x Darkfire Dragon
1x Dragoness
3x Thousand-Eyes

Also note if you want to play goat format on a yugioh video game I would suggest playing the yugioh 2006 gba video game the only problem is it is missing a few cards but nothing major (unless you count Mind Crush and Royal Oppression as major etc) and the computers can be idiots at times especially the mirror match one. The game goes up to LOB-Shadow of Infinity with ocg cards and the goat list

[Ynusgridorh]

Black Luster Soldier is the most powerful monster of the format and should definitely be there. Night Assailant is only good in decks like Turbo Chaos that can discard it with Raigeki Break or Phoenix Wing Wind Blast and is always run at 2 in those decks because you can discard one copy to get back another copy.

[Inti]

Originally Posted by Ynusgridorh

Black Luster Soldier is the most powerful monster of the format and should definitely be there. Night Assailant is only good in decks like Turbo Chaos that can discard it with Raigeki Break or Phoenix Wing Wind Blast and is always run at 2 in those decks because you can discard one copy to get back another copy.

true but its not a bad tech in goats and also what were popular side deck cards during this time?

[nickydicky]

Your side was for anything that's not the mirror match.
You had things for Last Turn, burn, empty jar, etc.

[Inti]

Ok the gx gba has no exarion,asura,Magical Merchant, Abyss Soldier, and Berserk Gorilla which in that case I am giving this game either a 2 or 3 star liker seriously who programmed this game and made the card pool? I will just stick to DN or my yugioh 2006 gba game. I also made updates to the gba deck

Additional Comment:

Hmm I just realized that Remove Brainwashing existed during this time and I can use it with Lava Golem hmm possible next deck thoughts or ideas?

[Ynusgridorh]

Lava Golem inflicts damage to its controller so you'll burn yourself with that combo which is not even reliable.

[SMathieson1]

Subbing ... Obviously.

Additional Comment:

I've put this thread in my sig to try and get more people on board.

[Inti]

Originally Posted by Ynusgridorh

Lava Golem inflicts damage to its controller so you'll burn yourself with that combo which is not even reliable.

True and there are no other monsters similar to lava and even so it still has 3000 attack and perhaps the only way I could make it work is to make it a stall burn and then to use remove to finish the op off or just run like a otk deck with Mask of Restrict and turnade.

[SMathieson1]

Originally Posted by darkmaster1415

True and there are no other monsters similar to lava and even so it still has 3000 attack and perhaps the only way I could make it work is to make it a stall burn and then to use remove to finish the op off or just run like a otk deck with Mask of Restrict and turnade.

Could use Des Wombat to counter the burn from Lava Golem.

[Inti]

Originally Posted by SMathieson1

Could use Des Wombat to counter the burn from Lava Golem.

Oh yeah I forgot about that card good idea and I seen some people build a remove brainwash around lava but the decks that use this idea are newer.

[Catmaster0]

Originally Posted by darkmaster1415

Hmm I just realized that Remove Brainwashing existed during this time and I can use it with Lava Golem hmm possible next deck thoughts or ideas?

Originally Posted by darkmaster1415

True and there are no other monsters similar to lava and even so it still has 3000 attack and perhaps the only way I could make it work is to make it a stall burn and then to use remove to finish the op off or just run like a otk deck with Mask of Restrict and turnade.

Originally Posted by SMathieson1

Could use Des Wombat to counter the burn from Lava Golem.

Originally Posted by darkmaster1415

Oh yeah I forgot about that card good idea and I seen some people build a remove brainwash around lava but they are newer decks.

What did I just read?

Originally Posted by Ynusgridorh

Lava Golem inflicts damage to its controller so you'll burn yourself with that combo which is not even reliable.

This is the correct response, and I am going to pretend I did not just read all the rest of that garbage in the front page of an otherwise decent goat format OP.

[SMathieson1]

I've thought about this for a while so am hoping to get a definite answer following a discussion on here.

The main idea of this discussion is to maybe create an idea of card values and helping eachother to use the cards to their full potential.

There are certain cards that you can use aggressively but can also wait for them to have a bigger impact on the game. These cards include MST, Nobleman, Heavy Storm, Dust Tornado, Graceful Charity, BLS and Exiled Force. There are more but I can't remember them at this point so feel free to add them to the discussion if you can think of them.

MST/Dust Tornado- Is it best to use this card as a quick end of turn destruction? Is it best to use it as a quick blind MST or is it best to wait till your opponent uses cards such as Premature Burial, Call Of The Haunted or Snatch Steal?

Nobleman of Crossout - Is it best to blind nobleman a set monster? Is it best to wait till you have a read on a potential MoF? Is it best to blind nobleman to poke abit of damage through? Or is it best to Blind nobleman for when your going to have game?

Heavy Storm - With this card you can wait till you can get a quick +1 or use it when you want to poke damage through with a Don Zaloog or Spirit Reaper ect. You can Pro Heavy and wait for a plus and risk losing it to a Breaker or a Blind MST. Or you could hold onto this card until you have the option to go for game.

Graceful Charity - Now this card obviously if you have a good hand and no sinister/discard bait you wont use this straight away unless you need to dig for a nobleman for their set Morphing Jar or MoF. But what about turn 1 where you have no strong opening plays or mid game when your hand is average and your opponent is putting pressure on you with an Airknight? The general agreement is to wait for Sinister ... but is this always the correct thing to do?

Exiled Force - Now this card can counter any monster threat that faces you. But you are faced with alot of options for this card to be used. Example 1, your opponent has a F/D monster with Pot in the grave and you have no leads on a MoF. Would you risk giving your opponent a chance to re-use their pot just so you could have board presence? Or would you aggressively use your Exiled Force and risk a direct attack from a Don Zaloog or a Spirit Reaper? Example 2, your opponent has a TER that has sucked up your Sangan and isn't causing much mayhem. Do you either play it safe and set a monster ready to be attacked? Let the TER keep applying damage? Or use Exiled to get rid of the TER straight away and rebuild your board without the threat of TER?

BLS - Now alot of people (including me) wait for late game where they can finish off their opponent before playing BLS. But is it worth hanging on to your best card risking a Duo never to see it again? With protection you can apply pressure with BLS and win within 2-3 turns. Worst thing that can happen is they Snatch Steal it. Thats 1/40 cards. If it runs into a Mirror Force you have premature and call to revive it. So do you play it aggressively if you dont think they have snatch/meta or do you wait till you know you have the win?


What do you think of this discussion and what value would you give these cards (this will also determine an easier Graceful Charity play for discards). Hopefully this will help newer people and veterans of Goat Format have a wider view and therefore help people become better players instead of playing cards aggressively when they should be more conservative (which I find alot of current players trying out goat format do e.g. blind MST everything) or being to conservative when they should be aggressive (e.g. having a heavy card count compared to their opponent and not pressing).

[Synesthesy]

I have two question/suggestion.

1) Why don't start to make some strategic guide to "goat format deck" following the official advanced guides in strategy section, just to make anybody who didn't play in that era (I played before :P) know how to play the meta deck?

2) There is a way to make ygopro/devpro using the goat format banlist? I know there is, UXL have his own banlist, but I don't have the time and knowledge to make it myself. I would like to play if I didn't have to know if a card I want to use was legal or no!

[Inti]

For people who want to use DN with images use this link instead (Link won't work you will have to pm me I guess)
www .dueling network.com



?card_image_base=http://www.xtevenschannel.com/images/card-pics/

From what I can tell it has every card image.

From what I can tell it has every card image.

[Ynusgridorh]

Originally Posted by SMathieson1

There are certain cards that you can use aggressively but can also wait for them to have a bigger impact on the game. These cards include MST, Nobleman, Heavy Storm, Dust Tornado, Graceful Charity, BLS and Exiled Force.

I usually Nobleman a face-down right away unless I know exactly what it is. Some people will set a Faith with no spells in the graveyard to set up for double Duo so it's hard to guess what card it is.

Graceful should stay in your hand for as long as possible whether you have Sinister or not and should only be played in one of these cases:
1) You have 2 or more dead cards.
2) You want to set up a combo with Premature or Call.
3) You have no outs to a major threat (e.g. BLS, Airknight, etc.)

All the other cards can be used in multiple ways.

Originally Posted by Synesthesy

There is a way to make ygopro/devpro using the goat format banlist? I know there is, UXL have his own banlist, but I don't have the time and knowledge to make it myself. I would like to play if I didn't have to know if a card I want to use was legal or no!

You can't really play Goat Format on automatic duel simulators. DevPro doesn't have pre-errata cards and both YGOPro and DevPro don't use priority and 2005 replay rules. YGOPro Salvation have a Goat Format option but I think it's not operational yet.

Originally Posted by darkmaster1415

For people who want to use DN with images use this link instead (Link won't work you will have to pm me I guess)
www .dueling network.com



?card_image_base=http://www.xtevenschannel.com/images/card-pics/

I personnally uploaded over 100 Goat Format cards to this server. Here's another one that also has all the images: http://www.dueling network.com/?card_image_base=http://yugioh.party/lowres/

[SMathieson1]

Originally Posted by Ynusgridorh

I usually Nobleman a face-down right away unless I know exactly what it is. Some people will set a Faith with no spells in the graveyard to set up for double Duo so it's hard to guess what card it is.

That is a good point. I'm going to test playing it less aggressively as I also am very aggressive with my nobleman plays.

Originally Posted by Ynusgridorh

Graceful should stay in your hand for as long as possible whether you have Sinister or not and should only be played in one of these cases:
1) You have 2 or more dead cards.
2) You want to set up a combo with Premature or Call.
3) You have no outs to a major threat (e.g. BLS, Airknight, etc.)

Ah that is also a good option. I usually use it straight away when I have sinister unless I have a huge hand. I will test this way aswell as I need to be more conservative in some of my plays.

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Synesthesy

1) Why don't start to make some strategic guide to "goat format deck" following the official advanced guides in strategy section, just to make anybody who didn't play in that era (I played before :P) know how to play the meta deck?

This isn't a bad idea but I personally think the links above cover the basics of strategy and deck building. The more you play the more you pick up when you play better players.

I think you may be looking for something like this.

http://du3l15tgr0und2.com/index.php?...-goat-control/ Just change the numbers to letters

[calm_thinker]

tbh i freestyle a lot of my goat games, lol.

i could probably do with some advice.

[Dark Creator 1]

Originally Posted by calm_thinker

tbh i freestyle a lot of my goat games, lol.

i could probably do with some advice.

I need to continue to work on my deck(s). There are a lot of good cards that I should be taking advantage of. Some random thoughts from playing the last few weeks.


Be having pretty good success with Recruiter Chaos.
Abyss Soldier puts is so versatile. Card is amazing.
Vampire Lord put in some work for my opponent this weekend.

[Anteaus44]

Originally Posted by calm_thinker

tbh i freestyle a lot of my goat games, lol.

i could probably do with some advice.

What do you mean by "freestyle"? Most goat games require a duelist to flexible and adaptable to any situation that arises. Freestyling is kind of par for the course. In many instances the best play is dependent on a number of factors including your opponent, cards in grave and on field, etc. Anything in particular you're trying to figure out?

[Ynusgridorh]

Kris Perovic and Allen Pennington just had a very interesting best-of-7 match in Exarionless Goat: (a version with commentaries is coming).

This is deck Kris used: .
And this is the revised version that should now be considered the optimum build for Chaos Recruiter: .