Bleach Mango Discussion XIV

[Forever]

Originally Posted by Dark Black

But Kirge shouldn't be the one to reveal all these techniques though. He isn't a star knight and the fact that he is already seeming overpowered how are the captains going to beat the star knights without some piss excuses?

Haven't enough viewers been complaining about how one-sided the battles have been in favor of the good guys? And now, when truly scary enemies start to poke their heads out of obscurity, suddenly there's a rush to complain about it?

What do our move "vocal" critiques of Bleach want? Do they want one-sided battles in favor of the good guys or the bad guys, or a balanced battle? As I see it, for once in all the time reading this manga, Soul Society's Captains don't seem so undefeatable. I think that's a bit refreshing for a change. Otherwise I don't think anything Kubo does is going to satisfy certain readers.

[Dark Black]

Originally Posted by Forever

Haven't enough viewers been complaining about how one-sided the battles have been in favor of the good guys? And now, when truly scary enemies start to poke their heads out of obscurity, suddenly there's a rush to complain about it?

What do our move "vocal" critiques of Bleach want? Do they want one-sided battles in favor of the good guys or the bad guys, or a balanced battle? As I see it, for once in all the time reading this manga, Soul Society's Captains don't seem so undefeatable. I think that's a bit refreshing for a change. Otherwise I don't think anything Kubo does is going to satisfy certain readers.

I've always been one for balanced battles and there's been several times that the captains have seemed defeatable but they always seem to have some piss bankai abilities instead of winning by skill

[Saifullah]

Let me rephrase then. Nothing that actually matters happened. The plot didn't move forward. We didn't learn much about anything. A fight happened, and that's about it. Nothing makes logical sense.

[Forever]

Originally Posted by Dark Black

I've always been one for balanced battles and there's been several times that the captains have seemed defeatable but they always seem to have some piss bankai abilities instead of winning by skill

Soul Society Captains always bring out their trump card. It's as if you already know the battle has been decided.

Originally Posted by Saifullah

Let me rephrase then. Nothing that actually matters happened. The plot didn't move forward. We didn't learn much about anything. A fight happened, and that's about it. Nothing makes logical sense.

What do you think would matter? The plot did move forward. We learned some things, and should be able to infer quite a few other things based on the developments. In this select chapter, not "just a fight" happened. We can see King Quincy leading the war, sneaking through the barrier, flexing his muscle. And even if it were just a fight, which it's not, these things do tend to happened in Japanese mangas.

[Saifullah]

If by "moving forward" you mean "had a spasm in a random direction", then yes, I suppose the plot did progress.

[Forever]

Originally Posted by Saifullah

If by "moving forward" you mean "had a spasm in a random direction", then yes, I suppose the plot did progress.

What do you mean?

[Dark Black]

Originally Posted by Forever

Soul Society Captains always bring out their trump card. It's as if you already know the battle has been decided.



What do you think would matter? The plot did move forward. We learned some things, and should be able to infer quite a few other things based on the developments. In this select chapter, not "just a fight" happened. We can see King Quincy leading the war, sneaking through the barrier, flexing his muscle. And even if it were just a fight, which it's not, these things do tend to happened in Japanese mangas.

Trump Card??? You mean piss ability that means auto win. When was the last time a captain did anything that was skillful or showed "hey I earned the right to be a captain through skill and not through having a powerful Bankai?"

[Forever]

Originally Posted by Dark Black

Trump Card??? You mean piss ability that means auto win. When was the last time a captain did anything that was skillful or showed "hey I earned the right to be a captain through skill and not through having a powerful Bankai?"

I term that a trump card, where they pull out some shenanigans to kill the enemy. It cheapens the battle, making one not really want to continue reading when they know that no matter how scary the antagonists are SS Captains will simply use some cheap move. I think that called a deus ex machina? I don't recall.

As for skill, I'm not exactly sure how we'd measure/gauge it in a Japanese manga. What do you think would be the skill requirements to pass your standards? If they had enough skill, what would you expect to see from them?

[Dark Black]

The battle between gin and hitsugaya. There was no one sidedness both characters analysed what the other was doing.

Uryu fights are the same

And most of the Dragon Ball fights showed skilled

[Forever]

Originally Posted by Dark Black

The battle between gin and hitsugaya. There was no one sidedness both characters analysed what the other was doing.

Uryu fights are the same

Out of curiosity, how skilled do you think the other prominent characters in the Aizen arcs were? How would you rate Aizen in terms of skill?

[Dark Black]

Aizen was skillful in the SS arc, he waited and planned watching and noting every detail about people and things and somewhat in the fake town arc evident when he created WW to weaken Yama. But once the whole "hey i'll keep evolving" thing he seemed to lose most of his skill

[Forever]

Originally Posted by Dark Black

Aizen was skillful in the SS arc, he waited and planned watching and noting every detail about people and things and somewhat in the fake town arc evident when he created WW to weaken Yama. But once the whole "hey i'll keep evolving" thing he seemed to lose most of his skill

True. Very true, actually. I think Aizen had a horrible case of overconfidence, thinking he transcended both shinigami and hollow, becoming a God.

I'm anxious to know just how well Aizen would fair against Mr. King Quincy.

[Dark Black]

I did like that his overconfidence led to his downfall, but hated when Kubo had to do the whole lets fell sorry for him because he was a gifted youth

King Quincy would probably just absorb him, then again somehow Aizen gained a Bankai while being locked up that will somehow reverse time lol

[damien16666]

lol Aizen would not let himself get absorb .

[Saifullah]

Originally Posted by Dark Black

I did like that his overconfidence led to his downfall, but hated when Kubo had to do the whole lets fell sorry for him because he was a gifted youth

King Quincy would probably just absorb him, then again somehow Aizen gained a Bankai while being locked up that will somehow reverse time lol

I was expecting a very good backstory for Aizen. I was very, VERY disappointed with how Kubo dealt with Aizen's justification for doing everything he did.

[Dark Black]

While I was walking I was thinking if Tite would have done something along the lines of having a young Aizen who the world rejects because of his gifts meet the leader of the Vandenreich. Aizen could be like your a qunicy and your my enemy (he learned that in the class that covers the history of the qunicy )and the leader could just chuckle and say that if I was your enemy I could have killed you before you even knew I was here, then the leader could go own to explain their side of the story. This could cause Aizen to question SS methods and start him on the path that he took.

[siccoro da don]

Originally Posted by Forever

Haven't enough viewers been complaining about how one-sided the battles have been in favor of the good guys? And now, when truly scary enemies start to poke their heads out of obscurity, suddenly there's a rush to complain about it?

What do our move "vocal" critiques of Bleach want? Do they want one-sided battles in favor of the good guys or the bad guys, or a balanced battle? As I see it, for once in all the time reading this manga, Soul Society's Captains don't seem so undefeatable. I think that's a bit refreshing for a change. Otherwise I don't think anything Kubo does is going to satisfy certain readers.

Sometimes overpowered villians can be worse than over powered heroes. mainly because that's how stuff like "i have bravery so you blow up now" happens.

[Forever]

Originally Posted by Saifullah

I was expecting a very good backstory for Aizen. I was very, VERY disappointed with how Kubo dealt with Aizen's justification for doing everything he did.

This, completely. They just strapped him into a chair and left him there, without going into his history. Iirc we learned more of Barragan's history than Aizen's, and what Bleach fan wouldn't want to know more about the mysterious villain that is Aizen?

Originally Posted by Dark Black

While I was walking I was thinking if Tite would have done something along the lines of having a young Aizen who the world rejects because of his gifts meet the leader of the Vandenreich. Aizen could be like your a qunicy and your my enemy (he learned that in the class that covers the history of the qunicy )and the leader could just chuckle and say that if I was your enemy I could have killed you before you even knew I was here, then the leader could go own to explain their side of the story. This could cause Aizen to question SS methods and start him on the path that he took.

Interesting, but I'm not sure how far back in time that'd be, since time in the SS is way different from "normal" time.

Originally Posted by siccoro da don

Sometimes overpowered villians can be worse than over powered heroes. mainly because that's how stuff like "i have bravery so you blow up now" happens.

For the sake of balance, I'd like to see over-powered antagonists fighting against the Captains for once, only to later enter battle with, iirc, the Royal Guard of the Spirit King. If this is going to be the last arc Tite should hold back nothing and bring all of the pieces into play for one awesome finale.

[siccoro da don]

Then they should take lessons from one piece or claymore if they want to execute overpowered villians correctly.

[Obi Qai Gin]

He may not be trying to give us overpowered villains. He may be just trying to give us strong villains. But I believe we may get to see an overpowered villain when the King makes his move soon.

[Dark Black]

I don't the villains are overpowered it's just when the good guys pull out powers that are like "how are you suppose to beat that?"

[GGekko712]

Bring Aizen back. These German mofos are pissing me off

[Dark Black]

Why don't you like them?

Additional Comment:

Chap read... I thought there was only suppose to be five star knights

[Saifullah]

Well Kira will be back in action in a few chapters, Kubo's showing us his fetish for blowing people's arms off again.

[siccoro da don]

I think they said kira is dead. That doesnt always stop bleach characters though.