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Old 07-31-2011, 05:14 PM   #1
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Old 07-31-2011, 05:18 PM   #2
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Your deck has over 40 cards? Derp.

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I've never understood Upstart Goblin.
Seems like a good reason to start a thread...lets see what this is all about.
Why waste a draw and give your opponent 1000 lifepoints,
when you can just remove it and get draw another card insted?
Someone please tell me why?
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Old 07-31-2011, 05:19 PM   #3
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I've never understood Upstart Goblin.
Seems like a good reason to start a thread...lets see what this is all about.
Why waste a draw
...huh?
and give your opponent 1000 lifepoints,
...huh?
when you can just remove it and get draw another card insted?
...huh.
Someone please tell me why?
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Thoughts inquote. The fewer the number of cards in the deck the more consistent the deck is, and upstart basically reduces your deck size.

It's normally used alongside searching/other drawing, as by itself the deck reduction isn't much, Combined with a drawing engine and it makes some decks a load better.
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Instead of using useless filler like an extra copy of a monster or a spell/trap you don't need you use upstart to basically be running a 37 card deck. Even less if you have other draw/search cards.
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Your deck has over 40 cards? Derp.
Nope, just never thought it was worth it :S

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Instead of using useless filler like an extra copy of a monster or a spell/trap you don't need you use upstart to basically be running a 37 card deck. Even less if you have other draw/search cards.
I've never had that problem? My deck is all full (40 cards that is), but i could put more in easily if i wanted. I've never made a deck that lacked cards...

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Old 07-31-2011, 05:43 PM   #6
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Ideally you want to have as few cards ind eck as possible to get to your combo pieces/limited cards faster.

Upstart achieves this by thinning out the deck.

Now, it's by such a minimal margine that I feel those using Upstart are just fooling themselves.

But... that's the concept...
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Go by percentages and Upstarts will help you considerably, especially in decks like Samurai that rely on combos.
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Now, it's by such a minimal margin that I feel those using Upstart are just fooling themselves.
Here's my engine: 2 Pot of Duality, 2 Gold Sarcophagus, Allure of Darkness, and 3 Upstart Goblin. The most important benefactor for my Machine Chaos deck.

Then I have 3 Dekoichi flipping for more draws, Genex Neutron to search out Black Salvos, and Summoner Monk to summon up the Dekoichi's to use with Black Salvo or a Light to meet the Chaos Sorcerer requirement. If I was drawing other crap like Dust Tornado or Bottomless Trap Hole instead of getting to the point with my 3 Upstart Goblin then Chaos Sorcerer would sit dead in my hand and Black Salvo would be a dud. I don't think I am fooling myself; consistency is the most important thing in this game.


BTW, a third Pot of Duality was tested and it slowed me down.
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You can spam 3 of these in a single turn.

Reduce deck count by 3.

Gain some Spell Counters.

Replaceable 1000 burn in Life Burn builds.

Increase LP to draw more cards with Hope for Escape.

Some cards benefit for having an opponent with higher LP.
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Upstart allows you to have a higher shot at getting cards. LP is third in yugioh. There was a point when LP mattered. But that was back when blue eyes was playable. So
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I've never understood Upstart Goblin. Why waste a draw and give your opponent 1000 lifepoints, when you can just remove it and get draw another card insted?

Someone please tell me why?
Upstart Goblin can often be used as the "Poor man's" Pot of Duality, although sometimes it is better than Pot of Duality in that it does not stuff up your special summon's like Duality and you could potentially play all 3 in a single turn.
Upstart Goblin is probably best in decks that can afford to give away a few lifepoints early on to gain advantage as they can either swarm and grab field dominance such as in Six Sams or the deck is capable of grinding you out and killing all of your options such as in Macro, also like stated above decks like Nurse burn love this card as it really is a free do 1000 damage to your opponent and draw a card effect.

Upstart Goblin is still a "Draw" card, and draw cards are good to have in your deck and considering that the "cost" is quite reasonable I don't think that it is too bad of a card.
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To put it in an example, people running an Exodia deck want Upstart Goblin so their deck size is reduced and they can draw all 5 pieces of Exodia faster. But that was just one of the many examples of how Upstart Goblin can be useful.
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If you play 3, it's like playing with a 37-card Deck.
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Hope all of the arguments given have proved to you that Upstart Goblin is not the crappy card that you think it to be, less than 40 cards (effectively) will never be bad, that's why the FIRST TRUE STAPLE was Pot of Greed.

While Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity were legal Upstart Goblin was also Limited to 1 Per deck. No one played it BUT if it had been at 3 people may have cottoned on the the fact that it was waiting to be abused.

That's why some people also played 3 Thunder Dragon in the deck as well as the fact that it was a light that could be sent to the graveyard free to help in the summoning of BLS or CED, 1 in hand = Pot of Greed, and then if used with Graceful Charity it was always good.
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Most decks can deal well over 11000 damage really quickly. Extra life means near nothing. Speed up your own deck and increase the possibility of getting your combo out and win.
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Your deck has over 40 cards? Derp.
Funny that this is the one reason posted that is NOT why people use "Upstart Goblin". If you have more than 40 cards, using "Upstart Goblin" is absolutely pointless. You could simply not use them to begin with and achieve the same effect, but immediately and without giving your opponent Life Points.
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I've never understood Upstart Goblin. Why waste a draw and give your opponent 1000 lifepoints, when you can just remove it and get draw another card insted?

Someone please tell me why?
Ever run a One Turn Kill deck?

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Funny that this is the one reason posted that is NOT why people use "Upstart Goblin". If you have more than 40 cards, using "Upstart Goblin" is absolutely pointless. You could simply not use them to begin with and achieve the same effect, but immediately and without giving your opponent Life Points.
I'm pretty sure he was just saying the op must have a 41+ card deck if he doesn't understand.
Cause it's kinda hard for someone to think it'd help 41+ instead of 40.
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For the love of god... I know how they run in Otk decks. But i have seen countless of random decks running 3 Upstarts for no use...
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For the love of god... I know how they run in Otk decks. But i have seen countless of random decks running 3 Upstarts for no use...
Then why not read what the people who posted things before the people saying it works in OTKs said.

It improves consistency when used in conjunction with other draw or search engines. and so long as the people playing it isn't an idiot, the 1k LP is negligible.

Of course there is a large chance the decks you see are made by idiots who don't know how to upstart. They'd be the kind of people who don't bother reading answers and just ask the question again, no?
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Running Upstart in a 41 - 43+ deck is for players that need to switch for cards in the side deck. If they need to run specific anti support without removing key components of the main deck.
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Works well in Naturias, especially when used alongside PoD. LPs really don't matter once they've got you locked down.

I would try running 3 in mah Scraps, but alas, there's no room.
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