Lyla vs. Effect Veiler

[brr8760]

Simple question, but couldn't find ANY answer on google:

If I attempt to activate Lyla's effect, and they Veiler, do I still switch to defense? I don't think so, since switching positions is not a cost.

Also, as with other LS, do I mill during the end phase?

Thanks!

[magicknight94]

1) No, it stay in Attack Position.

2) Not sure, somebody please teach me how card effect "wear-off" in End Phase please.

[forteshinko]

Lyla's effect is negated, so it doesn't switch to defense >_>

For the End Phase thing, 2 things need to happen, "Effect Veiler"'s effect wearing off and Lyla's effect activating.
As turn player, you can choose to activate Lyla's effect with priority (it would be negated). After that, Veiler's effect would wear off.
If you decide to pass priority, then your opponent can use their priority to make Veiler's effect wear off, or pass priority back.
If they make Veiler's effect wear off, then when you activate Lyla's effect, it would not be negated.
If they pass priority back, you have to activate Lyla's effect, which would be negated.

EDIT: I said that earlier, but I think I might have learned that wrong, because yugioh-wiki.net says that turn player's "Lightsworn" monster's effect will activate first, then the effect of non-turn player's "Effect Veiler" will wear off.

[darkwolf777]

During the End Phase (and Standby and End Step of Battle Phase portions), effects resolve in the order the players choose to resolve them in.

Turn player has any an all right to resolve any effects they control first.

They can pass priority at any time to let an opponent activate/resolve one of their effects.

If both players pass priority, the turn player must activate a card or resolve one of their effects, if they have any.

After both players have finished resolving their effects and both pass priority, the game changes to the next phase


Now, through all of that, the turn player has a right to activate Lyla's (or any LS monster's) milling effect first. Of course, it is still negated by Veiler, so if you choose to do so, it will be negated now.

If you pass priority, your opponent can choose to resolve Veiler first, and remove the negation effect on your LS monster. Then you could activate the effect to mill while its not negated.

If both players pass priority, you'd have no choice but to activate the LS monster's mill effect, which will be negated.

[brr8760]

In other words, the LS monster won't mill, unless you want to trick the other player into "resolving Veiler first" after you pass priority.

[Key_]

There's no definite answer, it all depends on how the players are going to act.

[regeki404]

Originally Posted by brr8760

In other words, the LS monster won't mill, unless you want to trick the other player into "resolving Veiler first" after you pass priority.

yup..... ....

[Spoofy29]

Lyla Stays in attack because to go to defense, her effect has to resolve.
The effect to mill relies solely on if your opponent chooses to let you or not.

[Redshift]

If you want the mill to be negated, that's your choice.

If you want the mill to go through, that's your opponent's choice.

That's a terrible answer to give during a tournament, but it's the easiest way to explain it.