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Old 07-07-2011, 07:33 AM   #1
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This should not exist. The sole purpose of this card is for people to run Troll decks entirely based around it and simply give draws at Tournies. It drags matches out far too long and has absolutely no redeeming or healthy effects on the game. FTKs are bad, and so are FTDs. It cannot win a tourney and it just screws with other people's games. Empty Jar is more respectable than this.

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Old 07-07-2011, 07:38 AM   #2
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Jar is more despicable as it's sole purpose is to play solitaire.
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Old 07-07-2011, 08:53 AM   #3
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Ban cards that encourage masturbation at tournies.

Fish Synchro FTK.
Explosion/Ruins FTK

That's what's unhealthy for the game.

Self Destruct Button? Troll thread is trollolollol...
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Old 07-07-2011, 09:00 AM   #4
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If it can never do anything, don't hit it. What, did you get trolled on DN today?
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Old 07-07-2011, 09:48 AM   #5
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yes, it shouldnt exist. but since it doesnt do anything at all, no point of hitting it.
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Old 07-07-2011, 09:48 AM   #6
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Next thread: Ban Petit Angel, Herald can negate my triumph card with him ;(
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Old 07-07-2011, 11:17 AM   #7
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Hey, maybe if Konami made better rules in accordance with Draws, SDB wouldn't be so trolltastic.

The whole reason half the people make the deck is to flip off Konami and their rules. It's like Victory Dragon, fix the goddamn rule and the card doesn't do crap.
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Old 07-07-2011, 11:17 AM   #8
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Hey, maybe if Konami made better rules in accordance with Draws, SDB wouldn't be so trolltastic.

The whole reason half the people make the deck is to flip off Konami and their rules. It's like Victory Dragon, fix the goddamn rule and the card doesn't do crap.
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Old 07-07-2011, 11:21 AM   #9
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Hey, maybe if Konami made better rules in accordance with Draws, SDB wouldn't be so trolltastic.

The whole reason half the people make the deck is to flip off Konami and their rules. It's like Victory Dragon, fix the goddamn rule and the card doesn't do crap.
I just do it to piss people off, really.
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:02 PM   #10
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I just do it to piss people off, really.
I said half, not all. The other half just do it to troll people, and that's great in its own right, especially if it's recorded.
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:04 PM   #11
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Hit it the second it becomes a problem,leave it at 3 till then.
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:13 PM   #12
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Limit it to three.
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:43 PM   #13
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I just lost all respect I had for Pojo......
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:45 PM   #14
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I just lost all respect I had for Pojo......
Pojo and respect...lolwut?
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Old 07-07-2011, 12:55 PM   #15
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You know what? One time I'm gonna make a thread here for banning Armityle the Chaos Phantom. I would die to see how people might think of me.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:35 PM   #16
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Only time this card was used on me was World Championship 2011 for the DS. They had all their lifepoints, but I was using psychics and had 20000.... but I negated it


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Old 07-07-2011, 09:50 PM   #17
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in Tournies there is a rule where u cant run a draw deck that what i have herd thats the only reason y i didnt make one
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Old 07-07-2011, 10:00 PM   #18
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I believe that you're not allowed to run a deck who's only purpose is to Draw.
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Old 07-07-2011, 10:00 PM   #19
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in Tournies there is a rule where u cant run a draw deck that what i have herd thats the only reason y i didnt make one
And who the hell decides what the intent of my deck is???? Maybe Self-Destruct Button and Wall of Revealing Light help me bring out Slyfer!
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Old 07-07-2011, 10:26 PM   #20
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And who the hell decides what the intent of my deck is???? Maybe Self-Destruct Button and Wall of Revealing Light help me bring out Slyfer!
Considering this would only be enforced in Regionals or higher (which coincidentally is the only place these decks work), they would have the decklists.
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Old 07-24-2011, 05:01 AM   #21
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Ha ha! You have my attention!

I almost forgot how much I enjoy the opposition to a card that currently affects very few people.

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Self-Destruct Button

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This should not exist. The sole purpose of this card is for people to run Troll decks entirely based around it and simply give draws at Tournies. It drags matches out far too long and has absolutely no redeeming or healthy effects on the game. FTKs are bad, and so are FTDs. It cannot win a tourney and it just screws with other people's games. Empty Jar is more respectable than this.

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The initial purpose is really to end a game in which you have taken an extreme loss, but are still in the game enough to use it and have a chance to come back in the next game.

But the 'abusive troll version', the deck concept has been around since it's release in Invasion Of Chaos. I just took it in the direction of an FTK deck instead of a control deck reminiscent of Final Countdown. It could function like an FTK, but could do so with less combo pieces and virtually no extreme out of the way condition (Blasting the Ruins, Magical Explosion, Tempest Magician) in order to end a game. You can literally draw the 2 card combo in your opening hand and play it as is. No other OTK can do that with JUST TWO CARDS.
Plus, the End Of Match Procedures have changed several times in the last several years. The deck has had to make some bizarre adaptions.
And when was the last time you were at a sanctioned event and all matches ended in under 40 minutes?
You always have at least 1 game in every round that goes into time and neither play is running anything close to SDB or control decks.
And SDB can actually win games. I placed 27th in an 80+ man regional.
Sure it's not a top 8, but it's when the deck first appeared.

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Hey, maybe if Konami made better rules in accordance with Draws, SDB wouldn't be so trolltastic.

The whole reason half the people make the deck is to flip off Konami and their rules. It's like Victory Dragon, fix the goddamn rule and the card doesn't do crap.
Out of extreme curiosity. How would you fix the tie rules. So far all they have done is:

- change how ties are handles before time: both players randomize who goes first after a tie, and not go off of who won the initial 'dice roll' in the beginning of the match. All this has done is actually give the opponent LESS of a chance to win.
If we were under UDEs old rules for ties. If the opponent won the initial dice roll, they would end up going first after each tie, giving them a pretty good chance of drawing into Solemn Judgement within a 6 card hand AT LEAST once in the span of 40 minutes.
With the first turn player randomized. Law of averages gives both myself and the opponent about 3 times each in which we will be the first turn player. And an opponent with a 40 card deck has a 7% chance of going first AND drawing Solemn Judgment within a 6 card hand. We play the odds.

- change EOM procedures BEFORE TOP 32/16/ETC. another turn got added, last 5 turns instead of last 3 turns. Which is rather irrelevant as most of the SDB players know to pack an OTK sideboard anyway

- if both players are 0-0 or 1-1, game is considered a draw after last 5 turns are completed. All this did was making SDB players side into OTK sooner. Timing for it is slightly tighter.

so far, those changes haven't deterred anyone running the deck. IMO, you'd have to make a HUGE overhaul to the rules just to eliminate this decktype, or just ban button.
But Konami has known about Self-Destruct Button Turbo since it's inception. Trust me, I let it known to EVERYONE in the yugioh community that I built an FTK that ran with a 92% consistency rate with numbers to back it up. It's been three years. They won't ban it.

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Considering this would only be enforced in Regionals or higher (which coincidentally is the only place these decks work), they would have the decklists.
Are you suggesting that official judges can DQ someone based on THEORIZED INTENT?
If you want to go down that route. The version I'm running right now attacks with Flamvell Guards, The White Stone of Legend, and Blue Eyes White Dragons to win. It has Self-Destruct Button in case this strategy falls apart.
The argument of intent goes into semantics QUICK. And that's a territory judges DO NOT want to delve into. Too much gray area
I've run the deck at 3 regionals without any snags. Actually was lauded by the 3 judges there.


Oh and for everyone who hates the deck. Expect MORE of it. In Photon Shockwave, it gets more draw power VIA Momentary Truce. Regarding 1-for-1 draw cards, we have Upstart Goblin, Into The Void, Mystic Piper, Pot of Duality, and now this.
Momentary Truce, combined with the cards above are basically Upstart Goblin 9, 10, and 11.
Over 1/4 of any SDB deck will be (rather) conditionless play-it-when-you-draw-it cards.
Roll that around in your heads for a minute.
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Old 07-24-2011, 05:30 AM   #22
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When enough ******ed draw power is released (Temporary Truce, etc.) and this deck starts actually becoming a problem, then we can ban it.



Also, anyone who thinks the deck is illegal for play needs to jump off a cliff, because they're ******* stupid.
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When enough ******ed draw power is released (Temporary Truce, etc.) and this deck starts actually becoming a problem, then we can ban it.



Also, anyone who thinks the deck is illegal for play needs to jump off a cliff, because they're ******* stupid.
Truce, at face value, will considerably boost FTK consistency.

On the flipside, Truce ALSO greatly helps decks that wield creatures with powerful abilities. Namely, I'm looking at 6 Sams and Glads (especially since the wording is basically like a long running Hallowed Life Barrier, Glads will LOVE this card since they can attack and tag safely AND get some draw power out of it).

More decks will utilize the card to much worse expenditures that will offset the OTK bandwagon.
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:48 PM   #24
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This deck will never be a real problem.

It can be if they ever ban Solemn Judgment and or MST or Twister.

Other than than they can always put Solemn at 2 or unlimited and it pretty much dead in the water again.

Also some of you above WTF??!! talking about changing the rules on Ties?

Konami already fix that!!

They changed the tie rules long time ago.

They made it so that when a tie happen the next round randomly decided rather than whoever caused the Tie game via button get to pick unlike how it was when tourneys were held under UDE policy.

That there is enough disadvantage to a player that runs this time of deck.

And just for the record, for those of you that hate this card or decktype, you all should blame Konami for inventing such a card in the first place.

I can say the same for all cards that were banned, they either never playtested it properly and fix up any broken wording part of it or they simply just didn't care anyway.
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:58 PM   #25
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Great card. Cant win, use this.
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