Synchro with Xyz monsters?

Rekisen · 06-05-2011, 08:33 PM

I know this might be a stupid question but

If you use a tuner and a xyz monster, since the xyz monster does not have a level, would the total level count only go towards the tuner?

An example just for the sake of it would be: level 8 synchro(scrap dragon) with glow-up bulb + an exceed monster (utopia with no more materials maybe?),

The total stars is still 9, and uses 2 non tuner monsters, so wouldn't this be possible?

Or is there a specific ruling that says xyz monsters cannot be used as synchro material at all? According to yugioh wikia

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An Xyz Monster's Rank is not its Level. Xyz Monsters do not have levels. Therefore, they cannot be used for Synchro, Ritual, or Xyz Summons.

But this seems its refering to the fact they don't have a level, so I think they mean you can't use its rank as a level for a synchro.

Sorry if this is obviously wrong, I never heard anything about yet.

Tsun · 06-05-2011, 08:35 PM

I'd say yes, and follow it up with a "I just don't see why you'd want to."

The zombie guy · 06-05-2011, 08:36 PM

You cannot synchro with XYZ's.

Additional Comment:

Actually it is possible I suppose.

Donovantx8 · 06-05-2011, 08:37 PM

Makes sense in theory, but highly doubt it.

Tsun · 06-05-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The zombie guy

You cannot synchro with XYZ's.

Additional Comment:

Actually it is possible I suppose.

Wait, is the question using Synchros as Exceed material, or using Exceeds as Synchro material?

You can use Synchros as Exceed material. Not the other way around.

However, I would argue that you COULD use Exceeds toward Synchros, but they wouldn't count toward the star-count.

Rekisen · 06-05-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsun

I'd say yes, and follow it up with a "I just don't see why you'd want to."

The example I posted obviously isn't the best one, if this is possible, I'm sure someone else could possible come up with a better scenario

090Death · 06-05-2011, 08:38 PM

I'm going to go with yes
XYZs use Rank, so it wouldn't contribute to the amount of Levels towards a synchro, so it'd probobly could be used as a Non-Tuner Monster. I Suppose this would would only help if you need to Synchro with 2 Non Tuners. So Say you want to Synchro a Gale and Chaos Sorcerer for Trishula, put it an XYZ and Boom.

**Elliot Gale** · 06-05-2011, 08:39 PM

Xyz monsters are not level 0; they have no level at all. Synchro monsters require adding the levels of two or more monsters together, so it naturally follows that you can't use an Xyz monster as a Synchro Material since there is no level to add.

Rekisen · 06-05-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 090Death

I'm going to go with no

XYZs use Rank, so it wouldn't contribute to the amount of Levels towards a synchro, so it'd probobly could be used as a Non-Tuner Monster. I Suppose this would would only help if you need to Synchro with 2 Non Tuners. So Say you want to Synchro a Gale and Chaos Sorcerer for Trishula, put it an XYZ and Boom.

That IS what i'm talking about

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Originally Posted by Tsun

However, I would argue that you COULD use Exceeds toward Synchros, but they wouldn't count toward the star-count.

That is what I'm talking about, just using them as a non-tuner so you can synchro into things that require 2 or more non-tuners like trishula

The zombie guy · 06-05-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliot Gale

Xyz monsters are not level 0; they have no level at all. Synchro monsters require adding the levels of two or more monsters together, so it naturally follows that you can't use an Xyz monster as a Synchro Material since there is no level to add.

You can use level down and synchro with plaguespreader. I have done this.

youhaveaface · 06-05-2011, 08:41 PM

you could do Life Stream + an Xyz for any generic level 8...

**Elliot Gale** · 06-05-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The zombie guy

You can use level down and synchro with plaguespreader. I have done this.

I assume you mean Demotion. Plaguespreader becomes level 1 in that scenario, not level 0, and as I mentioned, Xyz monsters are not level 0; they are completely level-less. They may not interact with any cards that involve the use of levels whatsoever.

They cannot be targeted with Demotion and similar cards.

They cannot be tributed for a Ritual Summon.

They cannot be used as Synchro Materials.

They cannot be counted for The Calculator.

They cannot be affected by Gravity Bind.

The list goes on.

Overlap · 06-05-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The zombie guy

You can use level down and synchro with plaguespreader. I have done this.

No one's saying you can't lower levels, there's just no "Level 0". The lowest a monster's level can go is 1, and anything lower is cheating.

090Death · 06-05-2011, 08:45 PM

Just because they have no levels doesn't mean you can't synchro them. They'd just contribute 0 Stars. For Instance, Stardust and Generic Synchros say "1 Tuner + 1 Or More Non-Tuner Monster

XYZs meet that requirement of "1 Or More Non-Tuner Monster" It just wont contribute any stars. That being said. You could do something like: Plague Spreader and an XYZ for Formula Synchron.

Rekisen · 06-05-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliot Gale

I assume you mean Demotion. Plaguespreader becomes level 1 in that scenario, not level 0, and as I mentioned, Xyz monsters are not level 0; they are completely level-less. They may not interact with any cards that involve the use of levels whatsoever.

They cannot be targeted with Demotion and similar cards.

They cannot be tributed for a Ritual Summon.

They cannot be used as Synchro Materials.

They cannot be counted for The Calculator.

They cannot be affected by Gravity Bind.

The list goes on.

This does sound more correct and logical, but can you post an official source saying that they can't interract with the use of levels?

Sorry I'm just asking this out of curiousity

Overlap · 06-05-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by youhaveaface

you could do Life Stream + an Xyz for any generic level 8...

If you have the materials to summon Life Stream Dragon, why not just get the Level 8 you want in the first place?

**Elliot Gale** · 06-05-2011, 08:47 PM

Everyone doubting this really ought to take a look at the Japanese FAQ for Xyz monsters. If you're not willing to, then wait for the Starter Deck to debut in the TCG.

Until then, I'm going to laugh at you.

Jingrock · 06-05-2011, 08:48 PM

Xyz do not have levels. They are not level 0.

They can't interact with mechanics or cards that require levels

Also no monsters in practical situations can reach level 0

090Death · 06-05-2011, 08:48 PM

Levels or No Levels, it meets the written requirement of "1 or More Non-Tuner Monsters"

I'm Just basing this off of Reasoning

Maltrab26 · 06-05-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliot Gale

I assume you mean Demotion. Plaguespreader becomes level 1 in that scenario, not level 0, and as I mentioned, Xyz monsters are not level 0; they are completely level-less. They may not interact with any cards that involve the use of levels whatsoever.

They cannot be targeted with Demotion and similar cards.

They cannot be tributed for a Ritual Summon.

They cannot be used as Synchro Materials.

They cannot be counted for The Calculator.

They cannot be affected by Gravity Bind.

The list goes on.

this is exactly how Xyz work, they aren't level 0. They have no level therefor cannot be used with anything involving a level

Reapex · 06-05-2011, 08:49 PM

1 + (1/0) = ...

Figure that one out.

Jingrock · 06-05-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 090Death

Levels or No Levels, it meets the written requirement of "1 or More Non-Tuner Monsters"

No levels obviously does not meet the requirements of a synchro summon. Fairly obvious

090Death · 06-05-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reapex

1 + (1/0) = Holy *****

Figure that one out.

Answered that for ya

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Originally Posted by Jingrock

No levels obviously does not meet the requirements of a synchro summon. Fairly obvious

a Synchro summon requires the amount of stars, adding a 0 just keeps the number the same.

Overlap · 06-05-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 090Death

Levels or No Levels, it meets the written requirement of "1 or More Non-Tuner Monsters"

I'm Just basing this off of Reasoning

You need to go by the reasoning "Xyz monsters don't have a level, and therefore can't be used by anything involving levels".

**Elliot Gale** · 06-05-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jingrock

Xyz do not have levels. They are not level 0.

They can't interact with mechanics or cards that require levels

Also no monsters in practical situations can reach level 0

No monsters in any situation can reach level 0, actually. Even a level 1 WATER monster under the effect of A Legendary Ocean remains level 1.

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Originally Posted by 090Death

Levels or No Levels, it meets the written requirement of "1 or More Non-Tuner Monsters"

I'm Just basing this off of Reasoning

Your reasoning is flawed on the basis that Synchro Summoning requires you to add the levels of monsters together (you can even confirm that with your rule book!).

But let's put this another way, since you might be more mathematically inclined.

3L + 5L = 8L
But
3L + 5L + 4R = 8L4R, not the 8L you're somehow picturing.