The best level 4 xyz so far

echarit · 06-03-2011, 07:46 AM

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Steelswarm_Roach

When a Level 5 or higher monster is Special Summoned, you can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card to negate the Special Summon and destroy it.

Very good imo. Stops any synchro monster or higher or any boss monster.
Only problem its low attack.

What do you think?

N.Nick · 06-03-2011, 07:55 AM

Gadgets are becoming better and better :\

Ultimate offering

Opok · 06-03-2011, 08:26 AM

I'd rather just use Thunder King Rai-Oh.

Pretty sure it does the same thing, except it has more defense, hits more monsters, and has the added effect of preventing the adding of cards to the hand.

liciel · 06-03-2011, 08:29 AM

card is good but is too limited to the level
tkro does the job better

**Redshift** · 06-03-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Opok

I'd rather just use Thunder King Rai-Oh.

Pretty sure it does the same thing, except it has more defense, hits more monsters, and has the added effect of preventing the adding of cards to the hand.

Which can really hurt you. "Steelswarm Roach" gives search-dependent Decks a way to abuse "Thunder King Rai-Oh"'s Summon negation. He can also do it twice, and doesn't have to sacrifice himself to do it. Roach is clearly a better card to have, just slightly harder to bring out.

ssj_duelist · 06-03-2011, 08:42 AM

Roach no question. I don't see any Rank 4 Xyzding it in the near future or even ever. The guide it comes in made record sales due to its sheer popularity in Japan due to how good it is.

Staple in any deck with level 4s.

Stormweaver · 06-03-2011, 08:46 AM

If it wasn't for the bulk of level 4 tech cards in gadgets stopping gadgets from working, it'd be the kind card that you have your tech on the field, summon a gadget and go in to the xyd for free. As it is, it's available for pretty much every deck going bar plants....so it's good.

MEGAxZORD · 06-03-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Opok

I'd rather just use Thunder King Rai-Oh.

Pretty sure it does the same thing, except it has more defense, hits more monsters, and has the added effect of preventing the adding of cards to the hand.

and you also lose it.
roach can stop 2 cards, not just one

GuardianEatos · 06-03-2011, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MEGAxZORD

and you also lose it.
roach can stop 2 cards, not just one

But you lose 2 cards to summon it...

Thunder King Rai-Oh is better in all counts, however, this gives decks that can't use Rai-Oh(GKs..?) use Rai-Oh..

Rai-Oh is better though.

Also, this doesn't stop exceeds, Rai-Oh does.

Morthoseth · 06-03-2011, 09:28 AM

I'm more impressed by the fact that Jurracs have access to both this and Evolkaiser Raiga... but I guess that's a topic for another thread.

mikeholland · 06-03-2011, 09:48 AM

wow a non jank exceed! holy crap i can stop saying all exceeds suck now

SInge · 06-03-2011, 11:01 AM

I'm going to give it to Gem-Knight Pearl.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Gem-Knight_Pearl

Rank 4 with 2600 ATK.

Non-Effect which means it can come out in a Heat Wave.

2600 can run over a lot of monsters. 1900 defense can hold off some monsters.

Also Double Attack or use the Xyz materials for Xyz support.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Group_A..._the_Demon_God

Finally, can be revived and still be useful.

Steelswarm Roach is vulnerable to Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror.

Saitsuofleaves · 06-03-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GuardianEatos

But you lose 2 cards to summon it...

Thunder King Rai-Oh is better in all counts, however, this gives decks that can't use Rai-Oh(GKs..?) use Rai-Oh..

Rai-Oh is better though.

Also, this doesn't stop exceeds, Rai-Oh does.

And how did they get a Rank 5 Exceed out with Roach on the field exactly? If you let them get 2 Level 5's out for free, it's your own damn fault.

GuardianEatos · 06-03-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SInge

I'm going to give it to Gem-Knight Pearl.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Gem-Knight_Pearl

Rank 4 with 2600 ATK.

Non-Effect which means it can come out in a Heat Wave.

2600 can run over a lot of monsters. 1900 defense can hold off some monsters.

Also Double Attack or use the Xyz materials for Xyz support.
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Group_A..._the_Demon_God

Finally, can be revived and still be useful.

Steelswarm Roach is vulnerable to Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror.

Can't use Double Attack since they don't have levels..

Anyways, the more i read this card the worse and worse it gets.

Let me -1 myself..oops, he got destroyed and my opponent didn't syncro summon/went into Chaos Sorcerer and instead activated Monster Reborn/Call Of The Haunted/etc and ran my monster over..

This card is actually pretty terrible...you -1 yourself with no gurantee that you will make those up...

Thunder King Rai-Oh at least will be a 141 if it gets destroyed by a card effect..and won't be a -2 when just ran over..

Thunder King Rai-Oh >>>>>>>>>> This.

Stormweaver · 06-03-2011, 11:17 AM

You could argue that roach can kill pretty much anything that can kill it in battle. So in a deck of level 4 exceeds I'd say roach is the pre-emptive stun choice when facing anh empty or defensive field, while pearl is the answer when you couldn't stop them, getting out something bigger.

If it wasn't for stardust and shien though, pearl would be outclassed by hope tbh.

ZephyrothKnight · 06-03-2011, 11:18 AM

This is definitly going to be a secret rare when it hits the TCG.

**Redshift** · 06-03-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ZephyrothKnight

This is definitly going to be a secret rare when it hits the TCG.

We already know it's going to be a Secret Rare in GENF.

SInge · 06-03-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GuardianEatos

Can't use Double Attack since they don't have levels..

Anyways, the more i read this card the worse and worse it gets.

Let me -1 myself..oops, he got destroyed and my opponent didn't syncro summon/went into Chaos Sorcerer and instead activated Monster Reborn/Call Of The Haunted/etc and ran my monster over..

This card is actually pretty terrible...you -1 yourself with no gurantee that you will make those up...

Thunder King Rai-Oh at least will be a 141 if it gets destroyed by a card effect..and won't be a -2 when just ran over..

Thunder King Rai-Oh >>>>>>>>>> This.

Not the card but the term for the monster can attack twice because of the Spell http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Group_A..._the_Demon_God that can give an Xyz monster the ability to attack two times.

Opok · 06-03-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Saitsuofleaves

And how did they get a Rank 5 Exceed out with Roach on the field exactly? If you let them get 2 Level 5's out for free, it's your own damn fault.

They could've brought out any of the Rank 3/4 that can overpower Roach. There's quite a few of those.

ON TOPIC: I vote Vylon Disigma. Being a Pseudo-Catastor that can steal up to 3 of your opponent's monsters and has a 2500 is definitely worth giving up 3 monsters.

ArchAvalon · 06-03-2011, 01:45 PM

As a Six Samurai player, Steelswarm Roach gives us the ability to finally use Thunder King Rai-Oh without being hindered by the No-Search ability. With Kizan, it allows more outs and better protection against Black Rose Dragon, Chaos Sorcerer, and in the mirror match against an opponents Shi En.

Saitsuofleaves · 06-03-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Opok

They could've brought out any of the Rank 3/4 that can overpower Roach. There's quite a few of those.

I'm aware, but the point was they said Roach can't touch Exceeds. If they brought out a Rank 5 or Higher Exceed, you screwed up, and if they brought a lower one, it wouldn't matter if it had a Rank or Level.

Opok · 06-03-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Saitsuofleaves

If they brought out a Rank 5 or Higher Exceed, you screwed up, and if they brought a lower one, it wouldn't matter if it had a Rank or Level.

So...what's your point?

Alchadylan · 06-03-2011, 02:03 PM

Really though, most SS under lv 5 aren't inherent like lonefire and Mind Master plays, grave keeper spy, and scrap chimera.

Saitsuofleaves · 06-03-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Opok

So...what's your point?

My point is, what's the point of people saying he can't stop Exceeds?

GuardianEatos · 06-03-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Saitsuofleaves

My point is, what's the point of people saying he can't stop Exceeds?

Because he can't..

This guy can only stop levl 5 or higher Syncros/some fusions/some effect monsters..

Thunder King Rai-Oh is a 1900 normal summoned beater that laughs at the meta,stops all exceeds,all syncros,some fusions and some effect monsters..

Thunder King Rai-Oh isn't a -1 either..

But like the guy above said, decks like sams,GKs and sabers can finally run Thunder King Rai-Oh.