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Old 05-16-2011, 07:29 PM   #1
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To 3. Now.

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Old 05-16-2011, 07:37 PM   #2
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Or just print a balanced version that won't let me activate counter traps as fast as first turn or let me summon Naturia Extrio.

Y'know, one that shares the same name, with a slightly more nerfed effect. I'm all for speccing from the Deck or Graveyard, not from the extra deck.

But since that won't happen, I disagree. Apologies.
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Hahahaha would you like me to own you with Temple. I would be happy to. Ask Tonman my FTK was solid.
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Hahahaha would you like me to own you with Temple. I would be happy to. Ask Tonman my FTK was solid.
Exodia Turbo with teched Temple of the Kings?

Chop the head off.
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Gift Card Burn Turbo takes on card less to set off. You will be owned by my free plusing off approprate and Reckless Greed. Cards broke.
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Or just print a balanced version that won't let me activate counter traps as fast as first turn or let me summon Naturia Extrio.

Y'know, one that shares the same name, with a slightly more nerfed effect. I'm all for speccing from the Deck or Graveyard, not from the extra deck.

But since that won't happen, I disagree. Apologies.
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Temple of the Kings

and no, it's clearly not as good as Makyura but it's still pretty damn amazing. Wouldn't be the End of the World at one, but 3? stop trolling.
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Too many FTKs and i don't like the prospect on banning Exodia.
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Closest thing we'd get is a new card (minus the trap effect, one would hope, or at least with a once per turn clause) if they want to bring the Serket deck back.
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Too many FTKs and i don't like the prospect on banning Exodia.
I like the prospect of banning Exodia, simply because I can **** all around that veritable Gordian knot.

As for FTKs, what FTKs?

Any turbo draw decks leading to Exodia can simply be done away by banning Exodia.

Simochi and Greed Burn aren't a threat now, and they won't be a thread even with Temple of the Kings at any nonzero number.

You're chewing off the wrong branch, Rob Lucci - what you really are objecting to is solitaire play, which Cathedral of Nobles claims to represent, but is simply too ham-handed for the task. I object to solitaire play too, but not when it actually is inept.

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A variant of a variant of a variant? Hmmmm...

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Old 05-17-2011, 07:18 AM   #11
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The controller of this card can activate Trap Cards the same turn they are Set.
I set all my counter traps or Trap Stun, then proceed to begin my immediate advantage.

Or I set then activate Rainbow Life, ditching Palomuro, summon Emmersblade to ram for Palomuro #2, and begin looping for 2 googolplex life points.

Basically, any deck that uses many traps would use this for the plays it can setup. Most people decide to wait a turn before doing any big risks after setting their traps, this discourages that wait and makes the game much..faster.

Hell, Makyura would be more balanced if it was sent from the field to the grave via battle.
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I set all my counter traps or Trap Stun, then proceed to begin my immediate advantage.

... which is different from just setting without Cathedral HOW? I'd see more sense in this if you typed Gift Card or Reckless Greed or even Fire Darts - but Counter-Traps? No, seriously?

Or I set then activate Rainbow Life, ditching Palomuro, summon Emmersblade to ram for Palomuro #2, and begin looping for 2 googolplex life points.

Notice that this combo is already active even without Temple of the Kings - with Cathedral of Nobles you could start right away, but so what? If this is actually a problem what's stopping me from hitting Palomuro or Rainbow Life instead?

Basically, any deck that uses many traps would use this for the plays it can setup. Most people decide to wait a turn before doing any big risks after setting their traps, this discourages that wait and makes the game much..faster.

I'd be happy to see Uria decks go up in competitive play. You?


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FTKs all over the place with 75+ percent consistancy. Keep it banned forever, unless you want to ban ALL 3,4,5 card FTK win conditions.
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Yeah bring it to three.

On a completely unrelated note, i'm almost at 3000 posts. yippee!
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Tabris, thou art eternally enraging.

Honestly, in this day and age it could go to 3, I bet. Definitely it could go to 1.

But in an ideal world, there should be none of this nonsense.
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I like the prospect of banning Exodia, simply because I can **** all around that veritable Gordian knot.

As for FTKs, what FTKs?

Any turbo draw decks leading to Exodia can simply be done away by banning Exodia.

Simochi and Greed Burn aren't a threat now, and they won't be a thread even with Temple of the Kings at any nonzero number.

You're chewing off the wrong branch, Rob Lucci - what you really are objecting to is solitaire play, which Cathedral of Nobles claims to represent, but is simply too ham-handed for the task. I object to solitaire play too, but not when it actually is inept.

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A variant of a variant of a variant? Hmmmm...

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Gift Card simochi burn is unstoppable w. temple of the kings

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I only play one bad reaction in my deck and also no upstarts as you cannot combo out if you use more then one. But other then that it is pretty close to the one above.
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I only play one bad reaction in my deck and also no upstarts as you cannot combo out if you use more then one. But other then that it is pretty close to the one above.
w.e it is..thats a REALLLY lame deck you know ..the ONLY win condition is to sack and burn out temple just asks for stupid decks to be made
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... which is different from just setting without Cathedral HOW? I'd see more sense in this if you typed Gift Card or Reckless Greed or even Fire Darts - but Counter-Traps? No, seriously?
Because the majority of traps being played on your turn in the metagame aren't gift cards, maybe Reckless Greeds once or twice, but rather traps that allow you to make your strong plays safe.

One turn is all a person needs to turn the tide around most of the time. If I have the ability to make a big play, I want to set my safety traps such as counter traps and trap stuns first or draw into trunade or MST. Next turn I explode but my opponent still has a chance to react by making his big moves and either baiting my counters or having the advantage. With Cathedral out I can make my big moves without fear of being countered less they have a full backrow, and then if everything goes safe I can simply counter whatever he plays.

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Notice that this combo is already active even without Temple of the Kings - with Cathedral of Nobles you could start right away, but so what? If this is actually a problem what's stopping me from hitting Palomuro or Rainbow Life instead?
Neither of the two are broken alone. This card can set up for many different combinations then just a select few. It's like that thread which wanted to limit Dark Strike Fighter and banning what makes it good. Limiting/Semi/Unlimiting Cathedral will just get many random traps that can give a big advantage when they are played on your turn semi'd/limited. Call Of The Haunted even turns into a weaker Monster Reborn, and Gottoms' Emergency Call/Double-Edged Sword Technique turns into quite a big play.

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If it means everything else already competitive becoming higher then Uria in competitive play, nope. Cause then most of the T2 decks would be split by a rift of those who can use this card, and those who just don't run useful traps to use this card.
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Temple at 3 is dodgy with all the Trap draw cards.

Temple at 1 is fine, no point running a Trap draw engine if you're reliant on a single unsearchable Temple.

Also, Blasting the Ruins/Life Equalizer >>>> Gift burn, since you can run Upstarts and Hope for an Escape.
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Temple at 3 is dodgy with all the Trap draw cards.

Temple at 1 is fine, no point running a Trap draw engine if you're reliant on a single unsearchable Temple.

Also, Blasting the Ruins/Life Equalizer >>>> Gift burn, since you can run Upstarts and Hope for an Escape.
I'd rather not be randomly ftk'd by temple, cya
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Temple at 3 is dodgy with all the Trap draw cards.

Temple at 1 is fine, no point running a Trap draw engine if you're reliant on a single unsearchable Temple.

Also, Blasting the Ruins/Life Equalizer >>>> Gift burn, since you can run Upstarts and Hope for an Escape.
No it would not be fine either at 1 or 3,it needs to stay banned just getting it on the first turn would still be sacky you would just win.
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Burn can be a 1-2 turn kill with Temple. It's quite ridiculous, and even though Upstart doesn't work, you just replace it with Legacy or Jar. It chains like no tomorrow and goes for crazy easy damage.
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Gift Card simochi burn is unstoppable w. temple of the kings

3x destiny hero plasma
3x destiny hero dogma

3x pot of duality
3x hand D
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3x Gift Card
3x bad reaction to simochi
Checked it out earlier. Yes, I was wrong on this one. Still, for the fun of it:

oh forget it. Being wrong has its downsides. =(
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