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Old 04-21-2011, 04:43 PM   #1
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Default Magic Drain vs Xing Zhen Hu Replica

Which card is better to run in a Gravekeeper's deck?



Xing Zhen Hu Replica (Continuous Effect): Select 1 Set Spell/Trap Card on the field. It cannot be activated. Cards and effects cannot be activated in response to this card's activation.


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Magic Drain (Counter Effect): You can only activate this card when your opponent activates a Spell Card. Your opponent can discard 1 Spell Card from their hand to negate the effect of this card. If your opponent does not, negate the activation of your opponent's Spell Card and destroy it.

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Old 04-21-2011, 05:03 PM   #2
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Drain, i guess... but Neither really do much for Gravekeepers.
Original Xing is better than both, and even then i wouldn't run it... though i guess baiting them away from your warnings would be good.
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Old 04-21-2011, 05:57 PM   #3
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The replica isn't bad, but Cursed Fig is better.
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Old 04-21-2011, 06:56 PM   #4
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Xing Zhen Hu Replica is crap.
Why not just MST or Dust Tornado it.

Id rather get rid of the problem then let it linger.

So magic drain
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Old 04-21-2011, 07:52 PM   #5
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Why does everyone think zhing zen hu replica is better than the original? It's not
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Old 04-21-2011, 09:06 PM   #6
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Why does everyone think zhing zen hu replica is better than the original? It's not
You can chain a targeted card to the original, which you can't do to replica. I find both cards to be generally useless in most decks EXCEPT Ojama field lockdown, where I find it to be one of the most broken cards when both backrow lockdown cards are combined. I have had so many people scoop when they realize they can no longer do anything.
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The Replica also has some other hidden uses

Normal Summon random monster like Battle Ox, then use player priority and activate Xing Zhen Hu Replica.

Now your oppoment can't respond any spell or traps to the monster's summoning such as Bottomless Trap Hole, Trap Hole or Torrential Tribute.

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Activate Xing Zhen Hu Replica and then chain cards such as Double-Edge Sword Technique or Gottoms Emergency Call.

Your oppoment can't activate Warning or etc...
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Activate Xing Zhen Hu Replica and then chain cards such as Double-Edge Sword Technique or Gottoms Emergency Call.

Your oppoment can't activate Warning or etc...
You can't chain to Xing Zhen Hu Replica either...
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The Replica also has some other hidden uses

Normal Summon random monster like Battle Ox, then use player priority and activate Xing Zhen Hu Replica.

Now your oppoment can't respond any spell or traps to the monster's summoning such as Bottomless Trap Hole, Trap Hole or Torrential Tribute.

or

Activate Xing Zhen Hu Replica and then chain cards such as Double-Edge Sword Technique or Gottoms Emergency Call.

Your oppoment can't activate Warning or etc...
doesn't your opponent get to respond first?
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after the monster is summoned the turn player has priority and is therefor able to activate an effect first in the summon response window. So if you activate replica the opp cant chain bth and the monster is saved.


Obviously if the summoned monster has a trigger effect that activates upon successful summon like caius, then replica wont help as the opponent is the first to be able chain to caius effect as prio is passed to the opp when caius activates.

the turn player always has prio first in any window, that means for example:
if you want to special summon JD and have oppression on the field as well as mst in hand and you dont want your opponent to negate JDs summon with his solemn warning(s), then you can special JD, and activate RO by paying 800 and then chain mst to it destroying RO, that way the summon is not negated and JD is special summoned and the opp was never able to activate SW to prevent it.

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unfortunately i dont see a good way to really abuse replicas second effect.
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after the monster is summoned the turn player has priority and is therefor able to activate an effect first in the summon response window. So if you activate replica the opp cant chain bth and the monster is saved.


Obviously if the summoned monster has a trigger effect that activates upon successful summon like caius, then replica wont help as the opponent is the first to be able chain to caius effect as prio is passed to the opp when caius activates.

the turn player always has prio first in any window, that means for example:
if you want to special summon JD and have oppression on the field as well as mst in hand and you dont want your opponent to negate JDs summon with his solemn warning(s), then you can special JD, and activate RO by paying 800 and then chain mst to it destroying RO, that way the summon is not negated and JD is special summoned and the opp was never able to activate SW to prevent it.

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unfortunately i dont see a good way to really abuse replicas second effect.
Though in most of these scenarios you'd rather just mst their trap before making your play.
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Though in most of these scenarios you'd rather just mst their trap before making your play.
good luck doing that when they have a backrow consisting of 4-5 cards.

also its just an example, a lot of people dont know that the turn player is the first that is able to negate the summon of the own monster.
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after the monster is summoned the turn player has priority and is therefor able to activate an effect first in the summon response window. So if you activate replica the opp cant chain bth and the monster is saved.
That's kind of interesting, solves a long-running argument me and a friend have about this. Does a similar line of reasoning hold for attack declaration? That is, if I attack do I have priority to activate this, thus preventing my opponent from using Mirror Force or Dimensional Prison?

OT: Xing Zhen Hu is way better than both and is a very underrated card at the minute. People are lazy about setting their best traps (usually the important ones like Warning go down first) so with a bit of luck you can hit something good.
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That's kind of interesting, solves a long-running argument me and a friend have about this. Does a similar line of reasoning hold for attack declaration? That is, if I attack do I have priority to activate this, thus preventing my opponent from using Mirror Force or Dimensional Prison?

yes, your opp wont be able to use dpris or MF. but keep in mind that after that chain has resolved and before damage calc there is the battle step in which the opponent can use cards like Book of Moon, compulsory etc. which do not have to be used directly after attack declaration to still cancel the attack.
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