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Old 04-19-2011, 06:10 PM   #1
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Is kinda ridiculous.Japan is already feeling the imbaness.
The format will completely change after Librarian and Trishula, and something must be done before its totally destroyed.

Heres just an example : I just need 2 cards in my hand, Junk Synchron and Doppelwarrior , and a typical graveyard( its easy to fill with 2xTrooper,3xRyko,2xLonefire)

I summon Junk, effect to revive Spore, Doppel is special summoned from my hand.Synchro Junk with Doppel>Librarian, get 2 tokens from Doppel.Special summon Glow-up Bulb from graveyard.
Syncho Glow-up with 1 token for Formula to draw 2 with Librarians effect.
Synchro Spore with the other token for another Formula to draw 2.
Remove Glow-up for Spore's effect to summon a lvl 2 Spore.
Synchro it off with 1 Formula and Librarian to summon Trishula.

I started with 2 cards in my hand, and only needed a Bulb and a Spore in my GY.
I ended with 4 cards in my hand, 1 Trishula and 1 Formula in the field, which is a +7 (+2 in hand, +2 in field, -3 to opponent from Trishulas effect)

Kinda ridiculous dont you think?
If a mediocre player like me , who hasnt even played the deck can think of an easy +7 with minimum setup, imagine what pros can do with this.

So, hit it? And which cards?
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Kill Librarian and Trishula.
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Is kinda ridiculous.Japan is already feeling the imbaness.
The format will completely change after Librarian and Trishula, and something must be done before its totally destroyed.

Heres just an example : I just need 2 cards in my hand, Junk Synchron and Doppelwarrior , and a typical graveyard( its easy to fill with 2xTrooper,3xRyko,2xLonefire)

I summon Junk, effect to revive Spore, Doppel is special summoned from my hand.Synchro Junk with Doppel>Librarian, get 2 tokens from Doppel.Special summon Glow-up Bulb from graveyard.
Syncho Glow-up with 1 token for Formula to draw 2 with Librarians effect.
Synchro Spore with the other token for another Formula to draw 2.
Remove Glow-up for Spore's effect to summon a lvl 2 Spore.
Synchro it off with 1 Formula and Librarian to summon Trishula.

I started with 2 cards in my hand, and only needed a Bulb and a Spore in my GY.
I ended with 4 cards in my hand, 1 Trishula and 1 Formula in the field, which is a +7 (+2 in hand, +2 in field, -3 to opponent from Trishulas effect)

Kinda ridiculous dont you think?
If a mediocre player like me , who hasnt even played the deck can think of an easy +7 with minimum setup, imagine what pros can do with this.

So, hit it? And which cards?
Um you do know that you can't synchro a Spore, Hyper Librarian, and a Formula Synchron into a Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier? Spore and Formula Synchron are both tuners.

The deck is fine as is. No need to change it.
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umm.. Spore + formula + librarian = 2 tuners
that combo doesnt work... the combo you would use is draw 2 and nuke the field.. that combo is extremely good

i could definitely see some hits on some aspects of the deck in the future.. limiting junk wont do anything though since people can just offset the junk # with tunings

theres really not much they could even hit in the deck.. doppel isnt good enough to warrant a ban.. maybe a semi, but most people only run 2 anyway

they would have to hit unbroken cards to really kill the deck.. things like avarice, ryko, etc
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trishulas effect is a -2 for the opponent, the graveyard doesnt count.
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In Japan Gravekeepers are not prominent.

Necrovalley kills this deck and Japan's Meta is always a bit screwy.
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trishulas effect is a -2 for the opponent, the graveyard doesnt count.
umm... not only is it not a -2 for the opponent, but its not even a -1 for the opponent... trishula requires 3 cards, replaces those 3 cards with 1 card, then gets rid of 2 of your opponents cards.. thats +/-0. it could be a -1 for your opponent but thats only in a situation where the earliers cards are generating the pluses

blackrose does far scarier things in this deck than trishula does...
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Um you do know that you can't synchro a Spore, Hyper Librarian, and a Formula Synchron into a Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier? Spore and Formula Synchron are both tuners.

The deck is fine as is. No need to change it.
Hm true.You can still draw 4 and nuke the field with a BRD tho.
Or instead of Glow-up, use a Chaos Sorcerer in the example.
Use his effect for a +1, then synchro him off with Formula and 1 Doppels token for Trishula and also draw 1 from Librarian.

Look, the deck is really broken.Dont focus on specific combos, you arent seeing the forest for the trees here.
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umm... not only is it not a -2 for the opponent, but its not even a -1 for the opponent... trishula requires 3 cards, replaces those 3 cards with 1 card, then gets rid of 2 of your opponents cards.. thats +/-0. it could be a -1 for your opponent but thats only in a situation where the earliers cards are generating the pluses
1) the effect itself is a -2 to opponent. not factoring in the cards it takes to get him out.
2) for the opponent. as in only taking their card count into account.

reading comprehension much? you have to read every word, not just most of them you know.
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In Japan Gravekeepers are not prominent.

Necrovalley kills this deck and Japan's Meta is always a bit screwy.
doesnt kill it as much as ud think..a simple ryko flip or Giant Trunade lets you go off..and when this deck goes off..it goes oooooofffffff

Only thing to do is put librarian to 1 because 2 on the field is game set match
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Is kinda ridiculous.Japan is already feeling the imbaness.
The format will completely change after Librarian and Trishula, and something must be done before its totally destroyed.

Heres just an example : I just need 2 cards in my hand, Junk Synchron and Doppelwarrior , and a typical graveyard( its easy to fill with 2xTrooper,3xRyko,2xLonefire)

I summon Junk, effect to revive Spore, Doppel is special summoned from my hand.Synchro Junk with Doppel>Librarian, get 2 tokens from Doppel.Special summon Glow-up Bulb from graveyard.
Syncho Glow-up with 1 token for Formula to draw 2 with Librarians effect.
Synchro Spore with the other token for another Formula to draw 2.
Remove Glow-up for Spore's effect to summon a lvl 2 Spore.
Synchro it off with 1 Formula and Librarian to summon Trishula.

I started with 2 cards in my hand, and only needed a Bulb and a Spore in my GY.
I ended with 4 cards in my hand, 1 Trishula and 1 Formula in the field, which is a +7 (+2 in hand, +2 in field, -3 to opponent from Trishulas effect)

Kinda ridiculous dont you think?
If a mediocre player like me , who hasnt even played the deck can think of an easy +7 with minimum setup, imagine what pros can do with this.

So, hit it? And which cards?

Are you running Ultimate Offering that you normal summon twice that turn? first Junk Synchron then Spore.
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Hm true.You can still draw 4 and nuke the field with a BRD tho.
Or instead of Glow-up, use a Chaos Sorcerer in the example.
Use his effect for a +1, then synchro him off with Formula and 1 Doppels token for Trishula and also draw 1 from Librarian.

Look, the deck is really broken.Dont focus on specific combos, you arent seeing the forest for the trees here.
I run the deck. Why do you think I don't want it touched?

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Are you running Ultimate Offering that you normal summon twice that turn? first Junk Synchron then Spore.
He used Junk Synchron's effect bring back Spore and then special DoppelWarrior. It's one of the deck's good combos.
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Are you running Ultimate Offering that you normal summon twice that turn? first Junk Synchron then Spore.
Spore came from grave both times, with junks effect and then its own.
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clearly Liberian is the broken card in the deck.

However Level Eater... card is getting more and more powerful /panic!
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Proxy testing librarian vs xx sabers first turn set decree glowup bulb and mst

he goes summons emmersblade attacks bulb sets 2 backrow

standby phase decree he chains seven tools i mst his other backrow

5 cards in hand Use tuning grab Junk Synchron mill Dark Hole

Summon junk grab bulb special Dopple 3 cards in hand
Sync to Hyper librarian 2 tokens
Sync bulb and token to formula draw 2 5 cards in hand
Draw into min control min control emmersblade 4 cards in hand
Sync w. formula for another librarian draw 1 5 cards in hand
Mill charge for bulb sync w. other token for formula draw 3 8 cards in hand
One for One pitching ryko to SS Spore 6 cards in hand
remove ryko and junk special Chaos Sorc 5 cards in hand Sync for stardust draw 2 7 cards in hand Monster Reborn formula 6 cards in hand sync to shooting star dragon draw 2 8 cards in hand
Sync Spore and librarian for Iron Chain Dragon draw 1 9 cards in hand
SS Dark Armed Dragon

2400 +2500 +2800 + 3300 = 11000 damage thanks to librarian letting me keep drawing into crazy stuff
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Kill Librarian and Trishula.
Trishula is fine, Librarian Chick isnt..
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I'm going with this for now.
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Trishula is fine, Librarian Chick isnt..
Are you refering to Trishula in multiples or not?

I can kinda understand 1 Trishula being fine (though I'd prefer it at 0), but 3?
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1=3 outside of like one deck (infernity) so its basically irrelevant

And infernity is garbage so.....
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1) the effect itself is a -2 to opponent. not factoring in the cards it takes to get him out.
2) for the opponent. as in only taking their card count into account.

reading comprehension much? you have to read every word, not just most of them you know.
lmao nice attempted save at being wrong
Smashing Ground effect is a +1 i guess since we dont count cards uses anymore

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People who don't understand that there's no difference between 1 and 3 of a synchro are quite stupid. Usually the single Brio someone is allowed to go for is all it would take if it were at. Same can be said for Trishula, except in a deck like Fish. Which is a deck that should be struck down by the banhammer anyway. The only reason any Synchros should be on the list is to prevent abuse in the future by any one of the number of gamebreaking cards Konami likes to create. Once you strike down the deck that abuses the multiples the you should be fine. >_> /rant
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Librarian to 1. Problem solved.
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Librarian to 0, Trishula to 1, Formula to 1 solves the problem
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People who don't understand that there's no difference between 1 and 3 of a synchro are quite stupid. Usually the single Brio someone is allowed to go for is all it would take if it were at. Same can be said for Trishula, except in a deck like Fish. Which is a deck that should be struck down by the banhammer anyway. The only reason any Synchros should be on the list is to prevent abuse in the future by any one of the number of gamebreaking cards Konami likes to create. Once you strike down the deck that abuses the multiples the you should be fine. >_> /rant
When 2 librarians on the field turns a synchro summon into a Pot of Greed let me know how 1 or 3 make no difference

When trishula is dumped on u 2 turns in a row removing any chance you had to win let me know

when 3 karakuri bureido turns turning something to D to a +3 on you let me know

0 1 2 3 matter alot depending on the synchro
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Thats why I said that it only matters in decks that can abuse multiple in one turn, in which case the deck itself is broken enough...? Hurr durr?
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