Negating a synchro summon + monster reborn

karldark · 02-21-2011, 04:41 PM

If i negate the synchro summon of a monster can my opponent or me for that matter Monster Reborn it or was it not summoned properly the first time around.

Thebanlistsuxx · 02-21-2011, 04:42 PM

it cannot be summoned by Monster Reborn.

Key_ · 02-21-2011, 04:43 PM

Nomi / Special Summon-Only monsters cannot be revived if it wasn't summoned properly in the first place

Sobia6464 · 02-21-2011, 04:45 PM

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Nomi

For Nomi monsters.

However, for synchro monsters, the only reason that they can not be special summoned from the grave is because it wasn't properly synchro summoned.

karldark · 02-21-2011, 04:48 PM

thanks again guys

Key_ · 02-21-2011, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sobia6464

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Nomi

However, for synchro monsters, the only reason that they can not be special summoned from the grave is because it wasn't properly synchro summoned.

Synchro monsters are Special Summon-only by default

xSHiNOx · 02-21-2011, 05:27 PM

another thing to add just for kicks. if you want to negate a monster's summon and the opponent does so via a monster effect or magic/trap, you must negate the monster's effect or the magic/trap. so if they Monster Reborn, you must negate Monster Reborn. not when the monster gets summoned.

Sobia6464 · 02-21-2011, 05:32 PM

Starlight road is a loop hole in that theory. Since it does indeed special summon a Stardust Dragon. Sycnhro monsters are different then Nomi monsters, but definatly similar.

It's like having a card that specifically special summons Dark Armed Dragon. If that were the case, it wouldn't be completely nomi would it? I doubt a card like that would make sense considering DAD's text. Nowhere on a synchro monster does it say "this monster can only be special summoned by..." It just has the requirements to properly Synchro Summon it. There are other ways to summon certain Synchros, but since it wasn't summoned correctly, it can not be special summoned back from the grave.

DonPiantissimo · 02-21-2011, 05:40 PM

It doesn't matter if it's not on the text. Unless the monster says otherwise (like a text making it nomi), just like Fusion Monsters, extra deck monsters such as Synchro monsters are special summon-only monsters and cannot be special summoned from the graveyard/rfg if they weren't properly synchro summoned before.

EDIT: Sorry if I'm saying the same thing you are saying here, I can't completely understand what point you are trying to make or what are you arguing exactly, blame it on being quite late here...

xSHiNOx · 02-21-2011, 05:50 PM

you can negate Starlight Road whether or not the opponent will summon stardust. it has the ability to do so. there are other cards that have the ability to special summon a monster if one chooses to do so that can be negated. Infernity Launcher used to be able to get negated but they ruled it that you can't

Key_ · 02-21-2011, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sobia6464

Starlight road is a loop hole in that theory. Since it does indeed special summon a Stardust Dragon. Sycnhro monsters are different then Nomi monsters, but definatly similar.

It's like having a card that specifically special summons Dark Armed Dragon. If that were the case, it wouldn't be completely nomi would it? I doubt a card like that would make sense considering DAD's text. Nowhere on a synchro monster does it say "this monster can only be special summoned by..." It just has the requirements to properly Synchro Summon it. There are other ways to summon certain Synchros, but since it wasn't summoned correctly, it can not be special summoned back from the grave.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness' Ruling Blog

Synchro Monsters are Special Summon-only monsters by default as well, but there are also some Nomi Synchro Monsters, such as Trident Dragion. Let's take a look at a few

Starlight Road should be an exception since it's the only card in the game so far that does such a thing

DonPiantissimo · 02-21-2011, 06:03 PM

Synchro Change, Vayu etc.
It's not an exception really, the card states that you can special summon synchro monsters from the extra deck so you do, same way you do with Metamorphosis and Fusions, Ritual Foregone and Rituals.
They should be categorized in the same way Rituals and Fusions do in regards to the special summon-only issues. At this point, after having looked through some things (as much as I could at this point at night) I am not anymore sure whether we call them special summon-only or are they a category of their own, or whether fusions and rituals are similar (I mean them being a category of their own ofc).

Sobia6464 · 02-21-2011, 07:11 PM

I think they are not Nomi or Semi-Nomi monsters. They are in a class of their own, so to speak. This is my outlook on it anyway.

perzeus · 02-21-2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sobia6464

It's like having a card that specifically special summons Dark Armed Dragon. If that were the case, it wouldn't be completely nomi would it? I doubt a card like that would make sense considering DAD's text...

Rainbow Gravity

And yes, Rainbow Dragon is still a Nomi monster, an exception does not change that.

In fact, Temple of the Kings can summon any monster ignoring summon conditions, going by your logic then no monster is Nomi.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sobia6464

I think they are not Nomi or Semi-Nomi monsters. They are in a class of their own, so to speak. This is my outlook on it anyway.

They're Special Summon-Only monsters.

There exists no such thing as a semi-nomi.

RagingArkie · 02-21-2011, 07:58 PM

Nomi = Cannot be special summoned except by how it tells you to
Semi-Nomi = Can be special summoned after you do it the right way the first time

How you tell the difference is..
Nomi = "Cannot be special summoned EXCEPT"
Semi = "Can ONLY be special summoned by"

All synchros are Semi-Nomi. If you special summon "Stardust Dragon" with Starlight Road, you may use its effect but it won't come back.

Mmkay you guys get it?

D1Case · 02-21-2011, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RagingArkie

Nomi = Cannot be special summoned except by how it tells you to
Special Summon Only= Can be special summoned after you do it the right way the first time

How you tell the difference is..
Nomi = "Cannot be special summoned EXCEPT"
Special Summon Only = "Can ONLY be special summoned by"

All synchros are Special Summon Only. If you special summon "Stardust Dragon" with Starlight Road, you may use its effect but it won't come back.

Mmkay you guys get it?

Fixed. Hope you get it.

chaos_rules · 04-06-2011, 08:23 AM

one question, if I summon a Stardust Dragon, and my opponent uses a Torrential Tribute, and i negate the summon, and when in the end phase i summon the stardust and gets destroyed and negated(solemn, warning) can i special summon my stardust with call, reborn, etc?

pd: sorry for my bad english.

**Redshift** · 04-06-2011, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaos_rules

one question, if I summon a Stardust Dragon, and my opponent uses a Torrential Tribute, and i negate the summon, and when in the end phase i summon the stardust and gets destroyed and negated(solemn, warning) can i special summon my stardust with call, reborn, etc?

pd: sorry for my bad english.

You can't negate a Summon caused by an activating effect, ever. "Solemn Judgment" cannot be used here at all, and "Solemn Warning" would negate the activation of the effect, not the Summon.

illusionX · 04-06-2011, 09:57 AM

If the activation of Stardust Dragon is negate (solemn warning), you can still revive Stardust Dragon; the summon was never negated.

chaos_rules · 04-06-2011, 04:15 PM

thanks!!!!!!, one of my friends is a liar xd

illusionX · 04-06-2011, 04:37 PM

Everyone lies.