Stardust dragon

[Zyphel Chaos]

Well, I tried reading the sticky for the first time... was like 10 minutes or so, and didn't saw anything so yeah, if it's there sorry, I don't feel like reading all of it.

I'm just a bit confused on a couple of things with Stardust Dragon.

1) If stardust is special summoned by the resolution of it's own effect, can Solemn Judgment be activated when he is summoned, or does it miss the timing beause it had to negate the effect? (same question applies to D.D. Survivor)

2) For my understanding, when Stardust Dragon is summoned by Starlight Road, it is only a one time negator since it wasn't properly sycnhro summoned. Now, If Stardust Dragon was properly synchro summoned first, and then special summoned by Monster Reborn, is it a one time negator since it wasn't properly synchro summoned at the time of it getting to the field, or does it work like normal?

3) Same question about Monster Reborn above, but what would happen if the stardust was brought to the field with something like Starlight Road originally, or not originally synchro summoned.

[No One Special]

1. Solemn Judgment does not miss the timing - Solemn Judgment simply cannot be activated against a monster's effect, even if that effect would Special Summon something.

2. No, Stardust Dragon was Synchro Summoned initially, so it doesn't matter if it's Special Summoned again, even through a different means, as long as it's not returned to the Extra Deck.

3. Then you couldn't Monster Reborn it in the first place.

[vinny1986]

1) no

2) works like normal

3) u can't reborn a stardust that was roaded ( not properly summoned)

ninja'ed

[Zyphel Chaos]

Thank you both.

Now, I have other questions, yet since this only has two posts, It's better to not clog the page.

4) For both of your answers, any monsters that isn't synchro summoned properly in the first play, cannot be brought back to the field?

5) Hmmm... I have heard so many things about this, so it is better to ask, what would happen if Spirit Reaper would be brought back by:

a) Monster Reborn
b) Call Of The Haunted/Limit Reverse
c) Debris Dragon

6) reading through the page, I got confused on something about priority... so... When you are the turn player and you summon a monster such as Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind, or any other ignition effect monster, you have the priority to use its effect, and it will resolve regardless if your monster, (the one who activated the effect, in this case gale) isn't on the field at the time of resolution or if it is flipped down?

7) I read something about not always having priority with some trigger effect monsters... how does that work?

8) when Debris Dragon is summoned, the monster you targeted with its effect is still special summoned regardless if the opponent uses something like trap hole, Book of Moon, Compulsory Evacuation Device, etc?

Sorry for a lot of these questions, I know a lot about rulings, but I got confused on some by reading some things, and want to clear out a couple of things here to some of the people I play with since some of them don't really believe anything without proof.

[ness00]

Originally Posted by Zyphel Chaos

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4) For both of your answers, any monsters that isn't synchro summoned properly in the first play, cannot be brought back to the field?

Exactly.

5) Hmmm... I have heard so many things about this, so it is better to ask, what would happen if Spirit Reaper would be brought back by:

a) Monster Reborn
b) Call Of The Haunted/Limit Reverse
c) Debris Dragon

a) Reborn only targets it in the Graveyard, so it's not destroyed.
b) Both Trap Cards continuously target it, so it will be destroyed.
c) Same as Reborn.

6) reading through the page, I got confused on something about priority... so... When you are the turn player and you summon a monster such as Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind, or any other ignition effect monster, you have the priority to use its effect, and it will resolve regardless if your monster, (the one who activated the effect, in this case gale) isn't on the field at the time of resolution or if it is flipped down?

The resolution may vary. Priority gives you the right to activate the effect before the opponent does, but if the effect needs that the monster remains on the Field (such as Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress or Zombie Master), that's a problem of the effect, not a priority issue.

7) I read something about not always having priority with some trigger effect monsters... how does that work?

It doesn't work.

Once again, priority allows you to perform stuff before the opponent. Trigger Effects will happen when triggered (so their activation timing is set), and if multiple Trigger Effects are activated, they follow the SEGOC rule explained in the forum sticky. They don't involve priority.

8) when Debris Dragon is summoned, the monster you targeted with its effect is still special summoned regardless if the opponent uses something like trap hole, Book of Moon, Compulsory Evacuation Device, etc?

Yes, it's still Special Summoned.

[Zyphel Chaos]

Thanks a lot, so about the triggers, things like Mobius the Frost Monarch will still resolve normal even if the opponent uses Book of Moon. bottomless etc?

Now on a question about a chain.

9) If Caius the Shadow Monarch if normal summoned and the turn player selects a monster, and the opponent responds with Torrential Tribute, doesn every monster get destroyed as normal? Or does every monster get sent to the graveyard, but the one selected by Caius the Shadow Monarch is still sent to the remove from play area?

[ness00]

Thanks a lot, so about the triggers, things like Mobius the Frost Monarch will still resolve normal even if the opponent uses Book of Moon. bottomless etc?

Depends on the Trigger Effect, but usually yes. For example, Mobius doesn't care about remaining on the Field, but Blast Sphere does.

9) If Caius the Shadow Monarch if normal summoned and the turn player selects a monster, and the opponent responds with Torrential Tribute, doesn every monster get destroyed as normal? Or does every monster get sent to the graveyard, but the one selected by Caius the Shadow Monarch is still sent to the remove from play area?

Every monster is destroyed by Torrential Tribute. Build the chain: Caius is activated, then Torrential Tribute is chained. Resolve backwards, Torrential Tribute destroys all Cards. Then, since the targeted monster is no longer on the Field, Caius doesn't Remove it from Play.

[No One Special]

Yes, every monster gets destroyed by Torrential Tribute and Caius's target is gone, so the effect disappears.

EDIT: Ninja'd, as usual.

[Zyphel Chaos]

Originally Posted by ness00

Depends on the Trigger Effect, but usually yes. For example, Mobius doesn't care about remaining on the Field, but Blast Sphere does.



Every monster is destroyed by Torrential Tribute. Build the chain: Caius is activated, then Torrential Tribute is chained. Resolve backwards, Torrential Tribute destroys all Cards. Then, since the targeted monster is no longer on the Field, Caius doesn't Remove it from Play.

Originally Posted by No One Special

Yes, every monster gets destroyed by Torrential Tribute and Caius's target is gone, so the effect disappears.

EDIT: Ninja'd, as usual.

Thanks both of you. I told that to a lot of the people of which I play with, but no one really accepted it even if I explained the chain to them.

[catking5]

For number 7, if you mean if you play a card and it has a mandatory trigger effect (ex. Breaker the Magical Warrior) you do not get priority to activate an ignition effect, as it goes on the chain first, which is too late to chain a spell speed one effect, but you can still use spell speed 2 cards.

[Zyphel Chaos]

Originally Posted by catking5

For number 7, if you mean if you play a card and it has a mandatory trigger effect (ex. Breaker the Magical Warrior) you do not get priority to activate an ignition effect, as it goes on the chain first, which is too late to chain a spell speed one effect, but you can still use spell speed 2 cards.

Yeah I know that, I was asking about trigger monster effects themselves. But the other guy answered what I was asking already with the mobius/Blast Sphere example.

Thanks anyway (: