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Old 11-08-2010, 07:42 PM   #26
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Book of Illusions is a tight deck, ive known about it for a while. Too bad i dont have trip duality to really run it, otherwise I would definetly use the deck. We do not have the naturia fusion yet though, that would help with massive game pushes.

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Old 11-08-2010, 11:50 PM   #27
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Right at the bolded your post lost all credibility.
Conditions can easily be placed onto a card via another card. Debris Dragon, Junk Synchron, Swing of Memories, etc. And conditions never target.
You're one of those ppl who blindly answer questions based on how you want it to work as opposed to experience and actual facts/rulings. Please refrain from doing this in the future.

For now, one can look at post 61 and 62 here: http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread...=896447&page=3 and go with that answer for the TCG as well.
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If you want a longer read, then go here: http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=897201
Junk Synchron nor Swing of Memories neither have Conditions. I worded my post totally incorrectly. Please don't throw random cards into the discussion, bro.
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:11 AM   #28
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Junk Synchron nor Swing of Memories neither have Conditions. I worded my post totally incorrectly. Please don't throw random cards into the discussion, bro.
The Condition applied for swing of memory would be the monster being destroyed at the end phase.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:26 AM   #29
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To solve this discussion about condition blah blah:

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* When you Special Summon "Fiend Skull Dragon" with the effect of "Summoner of Illusions", "Fiend Skull Dragon" negates the Flip Effect of "Summoner of Illusions" and "Fiend Skull Dragon" remains on the field and is not destroyed at the end of the turn.

Conclusion:
It is not a condition.
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:13 AM   #30
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Liked it when it came out (But cringed of its Fusion Materials. The 2nd Fusion monster I've seen with harder materials to require, next to Valvaroid from the GX manga). Loved it now thanks to Starbright bringing Summoner of Illusions to the light.
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:06 AM   #31
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Just watch out for D.D. Warrior Lady! What else gets around it's effect?
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Old 11-09-2010, 05:55 AM   #32
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Every ST with a removal effect. Period
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:16 AM   #33
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Every ST with a removal effect. Period
omfgsh, the same could be said to anything without protection...namely Colossal Fighter. Oh, so he's bad too?
D-prison and warning and boss, we all know that. Just because it hits a monster (read: everything bar TRA!) doesn't make that monster bad. gaia drake at the very least laughs at everything that quickdraw tries against it.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:18 AM   #34
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Neat card is neat
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:25 AM   #35
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Colossal doesn't require another material to make it, and especially not a twisted and wobbly way to be summoned. Requires less set-ups, can be summoned through Rekindling etc. Colossal is recurring, having him + BoM is game-winning.
But, well, okay, keep assuming Gaia Drake is better than Colossal!
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:50 AM   #36
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Colossal doesn't require another material to make it, and especially not a twisted and wobbly way to be summoned. Requires less set-ups, can be summoned through Rekindling etc. Colossal is recurring, having him + BoM is game-winning.
But, well, okay, keep assuming Gaia Drake is better than Colossal!
I never implied that gaia drake was at colossal's level. I said it was a great card, which it is, because of the easy way to avoid using it's horrible materials as summon.
For the last time, the entire reason of this thread was because you don't have to use fusion to summon it
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The Condition applied for swing of memory would be the monster being destroyed at the end phase.
If the monster is flipped face-down it's not destroyed during the End Phase. If it was a Condition it would be destroyed no matter what.
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If the monster is flipped face-down it's not destroyed during the End Phase. If it was a Condition it would be destroyed no matter what.
Bolded is also false. Most conditions are wiped if the monster is no longer face-up on the field. A rare exception off the top of my head is Malevolent Mech - Goku En.
Ex. Flipping a Junk/Debris/Salvo target f/d will give the target monster its effs back. Activating Skill Drain will not. Because Junk/Debris/Salvo place conditions on their target monsters, conditions that are be wiped when that monster is no longer on the field.
Non-Spellcasting Area vs. Swing of Memories proves the destruction part of SoM is a condition placed on the monster, not an effect.

Edit: Not even Goku En anymore.

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Old 11-09-2010, 11:38 AM   #39
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For the last time, the entire reason of this thread was because you don't have to use fusion to summon it
And we're now thinking about its actual viability (to summon it) and in the second place about the actual contribution of this monster.
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:52 PM   #40
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And we're now thinking about its actual viability (to summon it) and in the second place about the actual contribution of this monster.
I think it's very easy to bring out in a deck that can sustain token generation (any deck running the Plant engine essentially). Even Frogs with Treeborns could do it easily. Just set a Summoner of Illusions with some tribute fodder on the field and its set. That entails "setup"? Barely, since the decks that can offer that tribute fodder most easily are supposed to have those cards in the GY asap or they tend to lose anyway.
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:08 PM   #41
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Bolded is also false. Most conditions are wiped if the monster is no longer face-up on the field. A rare exception off the top of my head is Malevolent Mech - Goku En.
Ex. Flipping a Junk/Debris/Salvo target f/d will give the target monster its effs back. Activating Skill Drain will not. Because Junk/Debris/Salvo place conditions on their target monsters, conditions that are be wiped when that monster is no longer on the field.
Non-Spellcasting Area vs. Swing of Memories proves the destruction part of SoM is a condition placed on the monster, not an effect.

Edit: Not even Goku En anymore.
I thought Conditions didn't target..

Rulebook or errata sections for these?

And oops, I got SoM wrong, d'oh!
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:34 PM   #42
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The Earth - Hex-Sealed Fusion is another option for getting this guy out as it can sub for Gaia Knight, the Force of Earth. Meaning you just need a single non-effect Synchro instead of two. Though the Summoner of Illusions is the more splashable option.
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:56 AM   #43
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Searchers for SoI? Sphere of Chaos and Sangan come to mind.
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