malefic Stardust dragon vs. Skill drain

[Blak Avenge]

Malefic Stardust Dragon

DARK 2500/2000
Dragon/Effect
This card cannot be normal summoned or set. This card cannot be special summoned, Except by removing one "stardust Dragon" from your extra deck. There can only be one face up "malefic" monster n the field. Field spell cards cannot be destroyed by effects. Other monsters you control cannot declare an attack. If there is no face up field spell card on the field, destroy this card.

Skill Drain
Trap/Continuous

Pay 1000 Life points. The effects of all face up effect monsters are negated.



SO<,,,............................................ ...

Scenario one: you have no field spell
can you special summon malefic , chain Skill Drain to its effect, and its not destroyed?

Scenario two:malefic is on field with field spell+skill drain

Can you summon another Malefic from your hand, due to the fact that the one on the field is negated?

scenario 3: malefic on field+field spell+skill drain+ 1 other monster

Can you attack with your other monsters?


thanks, I need these answers before i try and make a deck that wont work

[Space Mambo #5]

1. I believe its destroying of itself is a condition, not an effect. I can't guarantee it, but I think it would be destroyed.

2. No, that one's definitely a condition.

3. Yes.

[Imperialdramon]

Wiki says #1 and #3 are negated but we know how reliable that is.

[SCtheOnly]

Originally Posted by Blak Avenge

Malefic Stardust Dragon

DARK 2500/2000
Dragon/Effect
This card cannot be normal summoned or set. This card cannot be special summoned, Except by removing one "stardust Dragon" from your extra deck. There can only be one face up "malefic" monster n the field. Field spell cards cannot be destroyed by effects. Other monsters you control cannot declare an attack. If there is no face up field spell card on the field, destroy this card.

Skill Drain
Trap/Continuous

Pay 1000 Life points. The effects of all face up effect monsters are negated.



SO<,,,............................................ ...

Scenario one: you have no field spell
can you special summon malefic , chain Skill Drain to its effect, and its not destroyed?

Scenario two:malefic is on field with field spell+skill drain

Can you summon another Malefic from your hand, due to the fact that the one on the field is negated?

scenario 3: malefic on field+field spell+skill drain+ 1 other monster

Can you attack with your other monsters?


thanks, I need these answers before i try and make a deck that wont work

1) Malefic's effect that destroys itself if there is no field card on the field does not start a chain. Malefic would be destroyed before you got a chance to activate Skill Drain.

2) That is a condition. The condition of the Malefic in your hand is still applied.

3) Yes you can. That effect is negated.

[Blak Avenge]

kthanks guys

[lightswornforever]

what if Skill Drain is active and there's no field spell then can you special summon him?

[DonPiantissimo]

Originally Posted by lightswornforever

what if Skill Drain is active and there's no field spell then can you special summon him?

Yes, so long as there is no other malefic on the field.
You could special summon it even without Skill Drain, it would just be destroyed then.

[lightswornforever]

Originally Posted by DonPiantissimo

Yes, so long as there is no other malefic on the field.
You could special summon it even without Skill Drain, it would just be destroyed then.

ok but would it stay alive if Skill Drain was on the field?

[DonPiantissimo]

Yes
/10char

[lightswornforever]

Originally Posted by DonPiantissimo

Yes
/10char

cool thanks

[Redshift]

Originally Posted by SCtheOnly

2) That is a condition. The condition of the Malefic in your hand is still applied.

It's not a condition. "Skill Drain" negates it. But that won't change the outcome, of course.

[The_Snowy_Owl]

Even with "Skill Drain" active, only "Malefic Parallel Gear" and "Malefic Paradox Dragon" can be played, since they don't have the clause of only controling one "Malefic" monster. Because "Skill Drain" can't negate what's in your Hand.

[JHendo812]

so how does a malfelic monster vs Skill Drain work? so i have drain up what happens? can u special one out like m cyber end?

[Redshift]

Originally Posted by Jack Hendo

so how does a malfelic monster vs Skill Drain work? so i have drain up what happens? can u special one out like m cyber end?

You skipped right past every single post above yours, didn't you?

[frankieamb]

What happens if Skill Drain is removed while you have a Malfelic on the field?

[perzeus]

Originally Posted by frankieamb

What happens if Skill Drain is removed while you have a Malfelic on the field?

Their effects start working.

Be more specific, there was more than 1 scenario discussed here.

[Redshift]

Originally Posted by perzeus

Their effects cease working.

I like the word 'start' over 'cease'.

[perzeus]

Originally Posted by Redshift

I like the word 'start' over 'cease'.

Sounds good.

[frankieamb]

Unlike Beast King,Who would keep the boost in attack,Would Other monsters be able to attack,and if there is no spell card would Malfeic be destroyed?

[SCtheOnly]

Originally Posted by frankieamb

Unlike Beast King,Who would keep the boost in attack,Would Other monsters be able to attack,and if there is no spell card would Malfeic be destroyed?

Read the posts in the thread carefully.

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Redshift

It's not a condition. "Skill Drain" negates it. But that won't change the outcome, of course.

It was described slightly differently at the time of my post, IIRC since it is very unusual for a monster to have a continuous effect in the hand.

[Redshift]

If it were really a condition, you couldn't have two face-up no matter what unless you changed their names. But "Skill Drain" and "Book of Moon" shenanigans do allow multiple "Malefic" monsters with the highlander clause to exist on the field.

As for Continuous Effects in the hand, they are unusual but not unheard of (Fusion Material substitutes).

[The_Snowy_Owl]

Quick question:

I know that even with "Skill Drain" active, I can't summon a "Malefic" monster from my Hand, except for "Malefic Parallel Gear", but what about from the Graveyard? (In the case of "Malefic" monsters that are not considered "nomis")

[illusionX]

The highlander clause applies in all places.

[The_Snowy_Owl]

I thought so, but need to make sure, in case it comes up. Thanks :-)