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Old 07-02-2010, 05:43 PM   #1
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I have a question about the specifiv's of "Vice Dragon's" effect, if I Special Summon him via his effect, thus halving his ATK, does the reduction occur the moment it hits the Field, thus bypassing Bottomless Trap Hole? Or does he miss that window?
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Old 07-02-2010, 05:52 PM   #2
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It will not be affected by Bottomless Trap Hole. The reduction and summoning occur at the same time.
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:14 PM   #3
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Eh, kinda but not really. The reduction is simply a Continuous effect and is never 'activated'.
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:41 PM   #4
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Eh, kinda but not really. The reduction is simply a Continuous effect and is never 'activated'.
I never used 'actiavted', I just mentioned his effect, if his ATK reduction occurs at summoning, or afterwards.

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It will not be affected by Bottomless Trap Hole. The reduction and summoning occur at the same time.
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:02 PM   #5
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I never used 'actiavted', I just mentioned his effect, if his ATK reduction occurs at summoning, or afterwards.
My previous post was directed towards anime_lover.
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:34 PM   #6
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Basically, he would hit the field at 1000, correct?
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Yes he would. Although "Testudo erat Numen" can still stop that Special Summon.
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Does the same go for all atk increase decrease monsters, like the lightsworn that increases upon hitting the field
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Jain's attack is a continuous effect only when he attacks, not when summoned.
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If this card attacks an opponent's monster, it gains 300 ATK during the Damage Step only. During each of your End Phases, send the top 2 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard.
Command Knight is a continuous effect applied when summoned.

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My previous post was directed towards anime_lover.
Oh, sorry man, my bad
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Jain's attack is a continuous effect only when he attacks, not when summoned.


Command Knight is a continuous effect applied when summoned.

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sorry I didnt/dont have the card(s) in front of me but the newer super rare lightsworn that gains xxx amount of lifepoints per different lightsworn in the grave pretty sure its a lower base atk than 1500
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sorry I didnt/dont have the card(s) in front of me but the newer super rare lightsworn that gains xxx amount of lifepoints per different lightsworn in the grave pretty sure its a lower base atk than 1500
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there's no such thing? at least not that i know of thats "new" TSHD didn't have any lightsworns as far as i know.
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Gragonith, Lightsworn Dragon is a 2000 atk that gains for the gy.
Shire, Lightsworn Spirit is a 400 atk that gains for the gy.
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