Frog Monarch

QFTx · 05-26-2010, 09:44 AM

Changes/Fixes:
-1 Nobleman of Extermination
-1 Cyber Dragon
+1 Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch
+1 Soul Exchange

27
3 Substitoad
3 Caius the Shadow Monarch
3 Battle Fader
3 Raiza the Storm Monarch
3 Swap Frog
3 Light and Darkness Dragon
2 Treeborn Frog
2 Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch
1 Jinzo
1 Cyber Dragon
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
1 Ronintoadin
1 Tragoedia

13
3 Enemy Controller
3 Soul Exchange
1 Nobleman of Extermination
1 Heavy Storm
1 Creature Swap
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Brain Control
1 Smashing Ground
1 Cold Wave

yu_gi_oh · 05-26-2010, 10:22 AM

- Thestalos
+ One for One

SNYPE · 05-26-2010, 10:33 AM

You're running a bit heavy on S/T hate and you don't need to.

Unless your meta is pretty much all gadget there is no reason for 2 CyDra in the main

-1 Cyber Dragon
-1 Cold Wave
-1 Nobleman of Extermination

+2 Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch
+1 Soul Exchange

The point of the deck is to gain card advantage through Light and Darkness Dragon then use monarchs to provide 1 for 1s until you get the opponent topdecking. Which is why running into some of the opponent's S/T is okay, you'll end up with a nice 2 for 1. Their card the Monarch hit and their S/T for your Monarch. You can't really count the tribute because it's almost always going to come at no cost to you. Either it's Treeborn Frog and or you took a monster to tribute for with a 1 for 1 Spell.

Thestalos is good in here not only because of the hand disruption but because of how well it works with Soul Exchange. It's a very solid card for making 1 for 1 trades, which aids the deck nicely.

If you don't want 3 Thestalos you could consider Dark Dust Spirit which allows you to keep a constant flow of tributes and it's good against Infernity/X-Saber Swarming.

I personally aim for about 13-14 tributes, statistically ensuring that you get 2 tributes per opening hand. Frogs are Fine at 8 which gives you about 1 per opening hand.

QFTx · 05-26-2010, 11:11 AM

SNYPE: Thank you for your advice.. i still like Cold Wave because it secures my monarchs and LaDD summon.. ill definently try 2 Thestalos.. and 2 NoE is because i hate Machina/BW/GB. Thestalos does wreck this format except infernity but i get LaDD like 2nd turn on Infernity and they scoop lol.

CyberLad · 05-27-2010, 12:03 AM

27
3 Substitoad
3 Caius the Shadow Monarch
3 Battle Fader
3 Raiza the Storm Monarch
3 Swap Frog
3 Light and Darkness Dragon
2 Treeborn Frog
2 Thestalos the Firestorm Monarch
1 Jinzo
1 Cyber Dragon
1 Gorz the Emissary of Darkness
1 Ronintoadin
1 Tragoedia

13
3 Enemy Controller
3 Soul Exchange
1 Nobleman of Extermination
1 Heavy Storm
1 Creature Swap
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Brain Control
1 Smashing Ground
1 Cold Wave[/quote]

Although the Frog Monarchs are really great, You should drop them for the Genex Undine's and Genex Controllers - It adds a synchro element to the deck that makes it too powerful, but if ya gonna stay with frogs I suggest:

-2 LaDD
-1 Swap Frog
-1 Smashing Ground

+1 Cyber Dragon (Great to get Chimeratech/tribute fodder)
+1 Plaguspreader Zombie (Adds Synchro element/tribute fodder)
+1 Scapegoat (Fantastic to save you and ABUSE with Enemy Controller)
+1 Treacherous Trap Hole (Gives you amazing results)

AirmanOreo · 05-27-2010, 01:58 AM

Why no Mobius in the Frognarch deck?

blah23 · 05-27-2010, 02:07 AM

looks solid only suggestions would be

- Tragoedia
- Creature Swap

+ 2 quickdraw synchrons they been amazing so far for me.

SNYPE · 05-27-2010, 04:59 AM

Gah, didn't you learn from the LAST Frognarch deck you raided with Genex Monarch that people don't like it. I even tested it, it's pretty horrible. My first opening hand with the deck showed me why it'll never work. I opened with the two Genex Controllers in my opening hand, which made my Genex Undine's all vanilla monsters and made it impossible to drop Treeborn Frog. If this was years ago or there weren't any frog cards to do the job better it'd be a decent option. However, this is not the case. Genex Monarch was outdated from the second it came out. Until Locomotion R-Genex arrives the best you can really do is drop Brionac or Goyo, but only if you can protect the Genex Undine for a turn. Otherwise, you're basically synching for armory arms all day. Even with Locomotion R-Genex (basically Genex Controller + Caius/Jinzo) arrives, it'll be only meh at best.

CyberLad · 05-27-2010, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNYPE

Gah, didn't you learn from the LAST Frognarch deck you raided with Genex Monarch that people don't like it. I even tested it, it's pretty horrible. My first opening hand with the deck showed me why it'll never work. I opened with the two Genex Controllers in my opening hand, which made my Genex Undine's all vanilla monsters and made it impossible to drop Treeborn Frog. If this was years ago or there weren't any frog cards to do the job better it'd be a decent option. However, this is not the case. Genex Monarch was outdated from the second it came out. Until Locomotion R-Genex arrives the best you can really do is drop Brionac or Goyo, but only if you can protect the Genex Undine for a turn. Otherwise, you're basically synching for armory arms all day. Even with Locomotion R-Genex (basically Genex Controller + Caius/Jinzo) arrives, it'll be only meh at best.

Stop being a loser mate, If you think that all ya can do with my build is synchro for Brionac or Goyo, then you really don't understand this deck or how to play yugioh for that matter.

otk_deck_maker · 05-27-2010, 03:22 PM

-1 raiza
+1 thesty

CyberLad · 05-27-2010, 03:25 PM

^ What??????????

Darklights12 · 05-27-2010, 04:31 PM

i personally think thestalos is better then raiza. like i would play 3 caius 3 thes 3 ladd 2 raiza 1 dark dust and 1 mobius.