Hopeful Dragonzz (why do they even call it hopeless?)

Ben August · 05-09-2010, 01:54 AM

3x REDMD
3x Red Eyes Wyvern
3x Dark Horus
3x Phantom Of Chaos
3x Armageddon Knight
2x The Dark Creator
1x Sky Scourge Norleras
1x Prime Material Dragon
1x Necro Gardna
1x Morphing Jar

Spells
3x DDR
3x Trade in
3x Hand destruction
1x Future Fusion
1x RoTA
1x Heavy Storm
1x MST
1x Card Destruction
1x Lightning Vortex
1x Burial from the dif dimension
1x Allure Of Darkness

Traps
1x Deck Devastation Virus
1x Solemn Judgement

Extra Deck
1x Five Headed Dragon

So I haven't been able to play this at my locals yet, since I just finished it so I've only tested it against my friends quickdraw plants deck and I haven't lost a match yet. So how do you think it can do againts the current top decks?

O and I can't afford grephers, DAD and Gold sarco atm so pls don't sugest em. But when I get grephers ill definitely add em in place of the armageddons.

I am also considering a fooslish burail. Any ideas on wat to take out in place of 1?

Skeletor · 05-09-2010, 02:02 AM

Try this out. It is more consistent then what you have, and it has topped mutiple regionals.

Monsters
Dark Grepher x3
Dark Horus x3
Morphing Jar
Phantom of Chaos x3
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon x3
Red-Eyes Wyvern x2
Sky Scourge Norleras x3
The Dark Creator x3
Plaguespeader Zombie

Spells
Allure of Darkness
Into the Void x3
Card Destruction
Dark World Dealings x3
Foolish Burial
Future Fusion
Giant Trunade
Mystical Space Typhoon
Trade-In x3
Hand Destruction x3

Extra Deck
Five-Headed Dragon

Ben August · 05-09-2010, 02:13 AM

Hmm
Isn't 3 dark creators and 3 norleras kinda inconsistent, I kinda prefer to just tech 1 copy of norleras into the deck. And trust me the grephers would be in there if I had the money or trades to do so.
And into the void seems pretty interesting I might use 1-2 in my current build, thoughts?

yoshi777 · 05-09-2010, 02:17 AM

-1 Deck Devastation Virus +1 Mirror Force or Torrential Tribute (If you have Mirror Force)

Nice deck though, 8/10.

Skeletor · 05-09-2010, 02:20 AM

3 Norleras and 3 Creators ensure you draw what you need to blow up on the first turn.

The deck I posted plays like this.

Mil Dark Horus, REDMD, Plague, Norleras, and more random dark monsters. In hand have Dark Creator and Phantom of Chaos.

The use Plague's effect to put Creator on top of deck. Summon PoC, remove Norleras, and Blow the field and hands. Draw into Creator, special summon him. Remove dark monster for Creators effect and Special Summon REDMD, then use REDMD to bring Dark Horus back and then attack for 8100.

Additional Comment:

Quote:

Originally Posted by yoshi777

-1 Deck Devastation Virus +1 Mirror Force or Torrential Tribute (If you have Mirror Force)

Nice deck though, 8/10.

Learn to play Hopeless Dragon. You do not need Traps. Period. End of Story.

yoshi777 · 05-09-2010, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red-Eyed King

Learn to play Hopeless Dragon. You do not need Traps. Period. End of Story.

I find Mirror Force more effective over Deck Devastation Virus though (in my build anyway)

Ben August · 05-09-2010, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yoshi777

-1 Deck Devastation Virus +1 Mirror Force or Torrential Tribute (If you have Mirror Force)

Nice deck though, 8/10.

Yah, I originally had a torential tribute in and I decided to take it out for a deck devastation virus. But I wanna see how DDV tests out.

Additional Comment:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red-Eyed King

3 Norleras and 3 Creators ensure you draw what you need to blow up on the first turn.

The deck I posted plays like this.

Mil Dark Horus, REDMD, Plague, Norleras, and more random dark monsters. In hand have Dark Creator and Phantom of Chaos.

The use Plague's effect to put Creator on top of deck. Summon PoC, remove Norleras, and Blow the field and hands. Draw into Creator, special summon him. Remove dark monster for Creators effect and Special Summon REDMD, then use REDMD to bring Dark Horus back and then attack for 8100.

Additional Comment:

Learn to play Hopeless Dragon. You do not need Traps. Period. End of Story.

Alright, ill consider it, I wanna see how my current build tests out at locals first. And how does into the void work out? Good?

yoshi777 · 05-09-2010, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jay r

Yah, I originally had a torential tribute in and I decided to take it out for a deck devastation virus. But I wanna see how DDV tests out.

Good luck with your testing, I found it a little inconstant

Ben August · 05-09-2010, 02:54 AM

So im probably gonna do this

-1 DDR
+1 foolish burial

Is burial even needed in this deck? I thot it was a pretty good card to put in this deck to re-use wyvern and such, thoughts?

Dragonic Horizons · 05-09-2010, 03:27 AM

It was named Hopeless Dragons (Dragons of Despair among Japanese players) because when it swarmed the field and OTKed the opponent the situation was considered Hopeless for the opponent.

I believe it was something along those lines, thats why they called it hopeless I think, correct me if I am wrong.

I've never been a big hopeless player so I will not have good advice for you as others will.

Ben August · 05-09-2010, 12:46 PM

Lol, thanks for the explanation on the name XD.

Additional Comment:

Bumpppp
Any thoughts on whether burial is good in this build?,

Additional Comment:

Daaaaaaabummmmpppp

MX5J6 · 05-09-2010, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonic Horizons

It was named Hopeless Dragons (Dragons of Despair among Japanese players) because when it swarmed the field and OTKed the opponent the situation was considered Hopeless for the opponent.

I believe it was something along those lines, thats why they called it hopeless I think, correct me if I am wrong.

I've never been a big hopeless player so I will not have good advice for you as others will.

this is probably right, I do know that the deck was called Despair Dragon or Dragon of Despair and we translated itto Hopeless Dragon. Though I though it was named so because the origional HD (not the BEWD or whatever other variants there are) ran almost all dark monsters, concentrated on swarming with huge dark beatstick dragons and was actually very fast and consistent because they had a few cards we didnt, still do. lol

Anywho, here is the deck list I ran for a while. It is old and hasn't been updated for the format but it was incredibly consistent and fast. Maybe you can take some ideas from it. Hopeless Dragon is my favorite deck of all time. haha So I worked on it quite a bit. Good luck.

MONSTERS
[3]Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
[3]Dark Horus
[2]The Dark Creator
[1]Dark Armed Dragon
[1]Sky Scourge Norleras
[2]Dark Simorgh
[3]Spear Dragon
[3]Red-Eyes Wyvern
[2]Phantom of Chaos
[3]Dark Grepher
SPELLS
[2]Allure of Darkness
[2]Trade-In
[1]Monster Reincarnation
[3]Hidden Armory
[3]D.D.R. - Different Dimension Reincarnation
[2]Gold Sarcophagus
[2]Foolish Burial
[1]Lightning Vortex
[1]Heavy Storm
[1]Future Fusion

Ben August · 05-09-2010, 01:29 PM

I like your decklist, I might think about teching a dark simorgh into my deck, either that or dark nephthys, depends how much $$ I wanna shell out.
But im not so sure about spear dragon, is he just there for Dark Simorgh Fodder?
I also might use reincarnation, could be useful.
Thanks for posting your decklist it might prove to be very helpful! XD