The dreaded "Ship" question...

Pinkhairedbunny · 09-16-2004, 07:50 PM

Out of curiousity what "ship" do you expect to see in the books in the future?

Most people take the safe route and say R/Hr but I think that's a smoke screen. JKR loves to mess with your mind. I believe it will be D/Hr.

Call me a sucker for a good old lost cause.

morpheaus21 · 09-17-2004, 12:55 AM

If, Draco and Hermone, ever get together.

I will personally beat J.k rowling over the head with books 1 through 7, and possibly get some of whatever she was smoking. Ron and Hermione forever!!! And Harry/Ginny

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Village Dag · 09-17-2004, 02:30 AM

I really don't give a damn about the couples. Romance sucks.

PhoenixTail234 · 09-17-2004, 06:14 AM

someone is bitter... It's all about Hermione and Ron and Ginny and Harry, i agree with Morpheaus... except the smoking part... cough cough

Overlord Zatenks · 09-17-2004, 12:42 PM

Harry has no feelings toward Ginny. Given the fact that the books give Harry's point of view, it is more than obvious that Harry has not felt anything for anyone EXCEPT Cho, who he no longer likes. As much as I like the idea of Harry and Hermione, there just are not enough emotions coming from Harry. Unless Harry starts to develop feelings for Hermione and soon, Ron will have her. Though I am not sure how that would work out. Ron and Hermione disagree on a lot of things, and if in fact this far fetched theory that their bickering is flirting - which is bull since they are genuinely arguing and not being sarcastic - then I would speculate that they would be together for a rather short time before they broke up.

Simply stated, Hermione and Ron cannot become a couple, at least not in front of Harry. After losing Sirius, the kid is in a VERY bad and emotional place right now. The kid is ticked off more than ever, and if Hermione and Ron started a relationship, he would probably grow angry at them as they would be happy while he wallowed in misery.

My prediction? Hermione has an almost equal chance of ending up with Ron or Harry. Who it will be if either of them I cannot say. The amount of clues supporting both possible pairings has me getting dragged back and forth between the two couples. I cannot guess with any certainty as to who it might be. But I can say this, as everyone else knows, the beginning of book 6 is going to be VERY bad. I can only imagine what Harry is going to be like after losing Sirius. And I can only imagine how he would react to a Ron and Hermione pairing. Hopefully something cheers him up.

PhoenixTail234 · 09-17-2004, 03:12 PM

When... and yes I'm saying when, Ron and Hermione get together it will happen gradually. It's not something that they're just going to jump into when the 6th book starts. And I wouldn't go to far as to say that Harry and Ron both have an equal shot with Hermione. I think Harry cares for Hermione on strictly a friendship basis or on the brother/sister level. I think Ron cares for Hermione in more of a Romanic way. The reason I think it will happen gradually is because, even though I think there's a lot of tension between Ron and Hermione, I think Ron still has a lot of growing up and maturing to do. But eventually Ron will grow up and they will be together.

And if Harry should develop some feelings for Hermione I think it would crush Ron, and I don't think that Harry would do that to Ron, Harry values his friendship with Ron too much to do that. And Ron deeply cares for Hermione and I think somewhere in his subconscious Harry is aware of this, and for that reason would never consider Hermione as anything more then a friend.

Ace of Spades · 09-17-2004, 03:17 PM

You ever seen those gushy chick flicks where there are the two people who hate each other and then they get into a big fight and then they just stop and start making out?

Ron/Hermione for me.

Village Dag · 09-17-2004, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace of Spades

You ever seen those gushy chick flicks where there are the two people who hate each other and then they get into a big fight and then they just stop and start making out?

Ron/Hermione for me.

Those are just ridiculous.

Overlord Zatenks · 09-17-2004, 05:53 PM

Sorry, but the statement that Ron and Hermione argue because they care about eachother as more than friends is completely unfounded. You see tension because that is what you want to see. I once heard a Harry/Hermione shipper once say that if Ron and Hermione and have sexual tension, then Harry and Hermione are practically shagging in front of Ron. Once again, statements based on preference.

Quite frankly, there is no really any evidence for either side. Sorry, but saying that Ron and Hermione secretly like eachother because they argue all the time is just a crock of unsubstantiated bull. There is nothing to suggest that their bickering is anything more than just bickering. I have to see a single compelling argument from a Ron and Hermione shipper.

A Ron and Hermione shipper would say that Hermione acts more affectionate toward Harry because she sees him as a brother. A Harry and Hermione shipper could just as easily turn that around and say she does it because she likes him as more than a friend. The problem with this is that there is no evidence supporting either side. And because there is no evidence supporting either side, Hermione does have an EQUAL chance with both of them.

The best argument that Ron/Hermione shippers have - and it is a very weak one - is that Hermione likes Ron because she looked mad when Fleur kissed Ron and because Ron acted envious of Krum. Quite frankly, as compelling as you may THINK that argument sounds, I could just as easily flip.

As I said before, there is no solid evidence that they see eachother as any more than friends. So if they all see eachother as brothers and sisters, then Hermione's reaction could have been one of the protective sister and Ron's could have been of the protective brother. Sisters do get a little protective of their brothers when they try to date someone, and likewise for brothers. So their reactions fit within the realm of platonic friendship as well. Thus, it is MORE likely that their reactions were because of protective FRIENDSHIP than of infatuation. Ron, being as insecure as he is, may want Harry and Hermione all to himself given that they are the best friends he ever had. We all know that Ron is insecure and gets envious or jealous quite easily. So he could simply be trying to keep Hermione and Harry all to himself.

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"And Ron deeply cares for Hermione and I think somewhere in his subconscious Harry is aware of this"

I have particular dispute with this. Where is your proof? The books take place from Harry's point of view, and if the book did not note Harry being aware of any potential crush, then there is none. Harry is not "subconsciously" aware of anything. There is no canon proof of that. As far as the actual books are concerned as far as what has been said, thought, and done, Harry has no feelings for Hermione as a romantic interest. And Ron has no interest in Hermione. Sorry, but their arguing is not a sign of love. That is like saying that if a murderer kills someone, that he must love that person. It goes to show you that people will warp their reality to believe what they wish. Everything Ron and Hermione do would lead you to think that they almost hate eachother and only share a common friend, and yet Ron/Hermione shippers somehow have deluded themselves that because Ron and Hermione argue all the time, that they must be in love! Do you have any idea how backwards that sounds? Their arguments are rather bitter and serious. They do not quibble over small things and act sarcastic all the time. This is not 3rd grade teasing. This is bickering among TEENAGERS. 8 year olds tease the people they like. 15 year olds do not. When they disagree on something, they DISAGREE. If they went out, this would not change. They would STILL be arguing all the time. And sorry, but constant bickering and romantic relationships do not mesh well. That is what we call dysfunctional, which leads to BREAK UP when it comes to teenagers. So even if Ron and Hermione do hook up, it would not last long.

As far as I am concerned, none of them harbor romantic feelings for one another. It can be reasoned to a certain extent that Ron may be developing feelings for Hermione, but he has a hell of a way of showing it. Sorry, but you obviously do not understand the characters as well as you think if you honestly believe that Hermione would entertain the possibility of dating someone as childish as Ron. Sorry, but Ron has an aweful lot of maturing to do because he is nowhere NEAR Hermione's league. As for Harry, I think that Hermione acts so tender toward him because she knows that he has lived a life of a abuse and has never known true happiness in his life. THAT is probably why Hermione is so close to Harry. Ron is an insecure child with a massive inferiority complex, Harry is a scarred kid with unimaginable amounts of loss and healing to deal with, and Hermione is the only real mystery. No one truly understands Hermione just yet. Ron is quite two dimensional and is easy to figure out. He has an inferiority complex and is quite immature. Harry suffers from a lot of emotional issues that stem from his life of abuse and brushes with death. Hermione does not need to have patience for Ron's little fits of jealousy. But Harry is a different case. He has lived a very different life that neither of them could relate to, and has had to suffer more than they could imagine. So Hermione knows to be tender toward Harry because that is all he has and she probably understands that Harry needs to be dealt with differently.

As for Harry, I can only imagine what will happen in book 6. This will probably be the worst state we will have ever seen Harry in. Constant abuse by the Durselys, attempts on his life every year, a lack of any real happiness and the loss of the only father that he has ever known. It will not be pretty. So once again, I think that either of them could wind up with Hermione since there is no strong evidence for either side. Ron is too immature for Hermione, and Harry has far too much healing to do before he is ready for a relationship.

Ace of Spades · 09-17-2004, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Village Dag

Those are just ridiculous.

I agree on that, though i still believe Ron/Hermione will be a couple.

dementor · 09-17-2004, 08:31 PM

i hate those too the romance movies good lord those are so stupid.hey harry ron or malfoy dont have a chance with 'hermy'.here's the stats

malfoy & pansy
ron & cho
harry & ginny
neville & hermy

if you dont like it.you can kiss my glass.

proud dark dragon member
taker easy if she's easy taker twice = my brother

morpheaus21 · 09-18-2004, 12:18 AM

Well I don't like it, YOU CAN KISS MY BUTT this is directed to the guy who told us to kiss his but

.Overlord zentek I think you entire argument was one big attempt to show, how much your opinion mean's to you.Who can say what is in harry's subconcious? We dont know everything he think's every moment of the day so you can't say that,in my opinion phoenix tail is right.

You say we're schewing reality, but the very word's from your mouth counter your arguement, (ron was jealous of krum not envious) and in book 5 he goes on to show more jealousy.By the way, don't exagerate ron's mental state so much, he may be in secure but he's not the 2 dimensonal child with a massive inferiority complex you make him out to be, (god!) talk about over analyzing, or maybe you just projecting.Hermione isn't much of a mystery, you just have to pay attention and learn to understand people and you will see that.But thank's for your very well written and thought out post.^_^

RCG_ · 09-18-2004, 12:47 AM

the trump is how Hermione feels. I agree Ronis starting to like Hermione....but for some reason everyone assumes Hermione HAS to feel the same way. There is not once sentence in the books that can give any sort of conclusion that Hermione is leaning toward Ron in a romantic connection.

The main problem I have with R/Hr is that Harry would have to witness EVERYTHING for R/Hr to develop! If they have a date, he'd have to see it or one of them would have to tell him when, what, where, and why. This whole book is entirely from Harry's perspective, so a relationship between Ron and Hermione just isn't plausibly possible.

morpheaus21 · 09-18-2004, 01:10 AM

Why not? Certain parts of the books have been told from other perspective's, small parts yes, but who knows? And why can't harry just observe suspicious behavior, in the way that ron and harry did in the prisoner of azkaban form hermione,? That would be easy enough, and make sense, as they may want to hide their relationship form harry.

NevrMore · 09-18-2004, 01:12 AM

To morpheaus about Zatenk's post:

Obviously that entire argument was an attempt to try and look smart. Overlord Zatenks doesn't debate because he wants to look cool, he debates because he wants to prove his point.

Now onto your argument.

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Who can say what is in harry's subconcious? We dont know everything he think's every moment of the day so you can't say that,in my opinion phoenix tail is right.

We would know everything Harry thinks. Because it's in his perspective. The first thing that comes to his mind, we know. You can't possibly argue this fact.

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You say we're schewing reality, but the very word's from your mouth counter your arguement, (ron was jealous of krum not envious) and in book 5 he goes on to show more jealousy.

Saying that Ron was jealous, not envious, is void because jealousy and envy mean the exact same thing. Don't believe me? go check any thesaurus and it will say jealous and envious are synonomous.

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By the way, don't exagerate ron's mental state so much, he may be in secure but he's not the 2 dimensonal child with a massive inferiority complex you make him out to be, (god!) talk about over analyzing, or maybe you just projecting.

Ron is a 2 dimensional child with an inferiority complex. He's the youngest of all his brothers, who always get all the attention (Percy was a prefect, Fred and George are troublemakers, et cetera) while he's left with all their bad hand-me-downs, and then when he finally gets a time to shine by going to Hogwarts, he gets overcast by his two best friends. That would put an inferiority complex on anyone, and if it didn't, then they need to be admitted to an insane asylum, or put on show.

Also, he's 2 dimensional because...he's just not that interesting. His main role nowadays seems to be watch Harry do everything and Hermione figure everything out while he sits back and goes "Bloody hell!". I've seen zero character development from him, unless you'd like to point it out. You can set your watch to this kid's reactions. Seriously, I've been able to close my eyes and know exactly what Ron would say before I even read it. If that's not predictable, I don't know what is.

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Hermione isn't much of a mystery, (could i get some of what your smoking?

), you just have to pay attention and learn to understand people and you will see that.But thank's for your very well written and thought out post.^_^[/

Hermione is a mystery. The only hard facts we know about her is that she was muggle-born, and that her dad is a dentist. That's it. Ron has what? 10 members of his immediate family? And we know everything about them. Do we even know Hermione's parents' names? We can't pry into her thoughts. She's an enigma.You can see her, and you think you know all about her, but when you think about it, the most you know is her last name. I'd call that pretty mysterious.

morpheaus21 · 09-18-2004, 01:42 AM

Well thats your opinion, thanks.Have fun responding to this.I always enjoy a good argument.

^_^

PhoenixTail234 · 09-18-2004, 02:49 AM

Most of you just need to GROW UP. If you have a problem with the Ron and Hermione theory take it up with JKR, or quit whining about it. She's said it herself... Ron and Hermione are more likely then Harry and Hermione. And yeah ok, maybe you're right, that's not solid foundation that anything will even happen between them. But if you guys won't listen to the AUTHOR then you have the inferiority complex...

Village Dag · 09-18-2004, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixTail234

Most of you just need to GROW UP. If you have a problem with the Ron and Hermione theory take it up with JKR, or quit whining about it. She's said it herself... Ron and Hermione are more likely then Harry and Hermione. And yeah ok, maybe you're right, that's not solid foundation that anything will even happen between them. But if you guys won't listen to the AUTHOR then you have the inferiority complex...

Damn $*$*$*$*ing straight! And you RCG are one of these guys Phoenix is talking about.

morpheaus21 · 09-18-2004, 03:00 AM

Hey guys maybe, umm you should listen to the lady.You boy's should grow up you can't even make an original argument. hahaha.6_6 I THINK PHOENIX TAIL is right though jk has been quoted as saying Ron and hermione have a better chance then harry/hermione.

NevrMore · 09-18-2004, 09:55 AM

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Hey guys maybe, umm you should listen to the lady.You boy's should grow up you can't even make an original argument. hahaha.6_6 I THINK PHOENIX TAIL is right though jk has been quoted as saying Ron and hermione have a better chance then harry/hermione.

Who are you to talk? Your best argument is "OH MY GOD! stop makiing Ron out to have an inferiority complex!"

That's it. No evidence, no anything. Then when I make an argument, you act like it didn't mean anything. Check yourself before saying something, because you're a...uhh..what are people who go against what they preach? Oh, that's right, a hypocrite.

Overlord Zatenks · 09-18-2004, 10:37 AM

Forgive me if I seem a little bit slow, but I fail to see the correlation between needing to grow up and rebutting a rather feeble argument. No one here has yet to jump up and down over their favorite "ship&", they have merely - the intelligent ones anyway - provided canon support for their perspective. Thus, telling people they need to grow up is unwarranted. If anything, it is you Ron/Hermione shippers, as it is clear that is what you are, that need to grow up. You overreact and generally get quite grump when anyone opposes you and then you accuse others of being immature when they have done nothing other than use a preponderance of evidence to support their case.

Thus, your statement is invalid. Not only is it hypocritical, as Nevrmore so kindly pointed out, but it is utter nonsense. And given the fact that I am older than the majority of the people on Pojo, you are in no position to tell me to grow up. And quite frankly, I could not care less if Ron ended up with Hermione. While my preference would be for Harry and Hermione to enter a romantic relationship, my entire world will not shatter over a pair of fictional characters. Sorry, but I have more important things to care about. Never the less, that does not imply that I will not disprove a faulty statement when I see one. If you were any good at reading, you would have noticed I spoke against the "evidence" for both ships. Thus you cannot accuse me of bias. Again, this is the bastion of the immaturity you attempted to project onto us.

If you can point out a single instance within this topic in which myself, RCG, or Nevrmore acted in an infantile manner, I would be delighted to see it. Until then, have a nice day.

PhoenixTail234 · 09-18-2004, 01:34 PM

Forgive me for telling everyone to grow up. I was merely trying to point out the fact that on more then one occasion JK has said it’s more likely for Ron and Hermione to develop a Romanic relationship then Harry and Hermione.

morpheaus21 · 09-18-2004, 02:27 PM

Hi. overlord you like to use big words dont you? Hmm, I'm sure you'll find a way to respond to that, but if you are older and more mature why do you keep reasponding to us? Man, you have the complex i think, the very fact that you think your age makes you more mature is evidence of that.If you don't care about ron and hermione why do you keep posting?! Oh and yes i'm very immature thats why you can't stop me i'll keep coming back.lol ^_^

NevrMore · 09-18-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by morpheaus21

Hi. overlord you like to use big words dont you? Hmm, I'm sure you'll find a way to respond to that, but if you are older and more mature why do you keep reasponding to us? Man, you have the complex i think, the very fact that you think your age makes you more mature is evidence of that.If you don't care about ron and hermione why do you keep posting?! Oh and yes i'm very immature thats why you can't stop me i'll keep coming back.lol ^_^

He uses big words because that's his vocabulary. He keeps responding to you because, like I said, he likes to debate.

Listen, say you didn't care about Superman, but you heard someone say that Superman is weakened by water, and you knew for a fact that wasn't true, would you correct them or just ignore it?

And yes, you are quite immature. The horrible grammar, internet abbreviations and anime smilies are proof of that.

Linzoy · 09-18-2004, 04:59 PM

Zatenks, I envy your ability to write really long posts.

I always assumed that harry, ron, and hermione all have some kind of inferiority complex, that's why they get along well. There isn't much known about hermione but it seems like she's more intrested in proving herself than she is about actually learning. That's why she tried to take muggle studies in book 3.