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Old 01-10-2010, 07:54 PM   #1
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i was reading aoj castastor's effect ans was wondering if aoj catastor has to survive the battle in order for it's effect to work.
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Old 01-10-2010, 07:57 PM   #2
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The effect of "Ally of Justice Catastor" activates at the beginning of the Damage Step, before you calculate damage. "Ally of Justice Catastor" destroys the monster, and afterwards the monster is not on the field, so you do not calculate damage. Thus, no Battle Damage is inflicted, no monsters are destroyed by battle, etc.
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great. anyone else?
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Old 01-11-2010, 03:11 PM   #4
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In general, we don't answer threads that already have the correct answer.

Deus' answer is correct.
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If you're wondering why nobody else posted in this thread, its because anyone (such as myself) who came in here after the fact saw that Deus' answer was correct & well written, and recognized this as a fairly common question where more explanations could be found via the search engines. Also, the link below will take you to the newly published Konami Eratta section where AOJ Catastor is also addressed.

http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/gamepl...rata100105.pdf
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ok, i want to make sure i understand the ruling correctly. here's how i understand it:

if i have aoj catastor attack any non-dark monster(even monsters with attack points higher than aoj) than aoj's effect would automatically kick in at the start of the damage step and destroy the monster before any damage would be calculated thus no technical battle occurs. is that right?
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Yes, more or less. It's still considered to have attacked, though.
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That is correct, yes.

Along with that, keep in mind that Catastor will also destroy a monster like Sphere of Chaos or Dark Simorgh, since along with a Dark attribute, they also have a Non-Dark Attribute.
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That is correct, yes.

Along with that, keep in mind that Catastor will also destroy a monster like Sphere of Chaos or Dark Simorgh, since along with a Dark attribute, they also have a Non-Dark Attribute.
perfect but would catastor's work if there is a light and darness dragon on the field?
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Catastor's effect would be forced to activate once, and then Light and Darkness Dragon's effect would negate it (assuming its stats were high enough to do so).

Link 1 - AOJ Catastor
Link 2 - Light and Darkness Dragon

After that, the Damage Step would proceed normally as if you'd attacked of been attacked by a Judge Man, since Catastor wasn't destroyed.
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perfect but would catastor's work if there is a light and darness dragon on the field?
be specific next time

I will assume you are asking, what happens if Catastor attacks a non-Dark monster while ladd is face up


Catastor triggers
LADD activates to negate the effect
chain resolves
Catastor is negated
LADD shrinks 500
Proceed to damage step
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be specific next time

I will assume you are asking, what happens if Catastor attacks a non-Dark monster while ladd is face up


Catastor triggers
LADD activates to negate the effect
chain resolves
Catastor is negated
LADD shrinks 500
Proceed to damage step
you are already in the damage step.

...proceed to sub step 2 of the damage step.
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wat is a substep and where did shrink come from?









Sorry, I had to.
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what is shrink? how does it work?
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be specific next time

I will assume you are asking, what happens if Catastor attacks a non-Dark monster while ladd is face up


Catastor triggers
LADD activates to negate the effect
chain resolves
Catastor is negated
LADD shrinks 500
Proceed to damage step
my question was what happens if i attack light and darkness itself?
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my question was what happens if i attack light and darkness itself?
I answered that in post #10, and Nik answered it right below.

The other stuff I said about Shrink was sort of an inside joke for Nik & SC.
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I answered that in post #10, and Nik answered it right below.

The other stuff I said about Shrink was sort of an inside joke for Nik & SC.
ok thanks.
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i had asked this question to a judge at sjc regarding this card

what happens when i atk into a giant rat with catastor? is giant rat considered to be destroyed by battle or card effect because catastor has to battle first..

then he talked about the errata. which makes sense

now, he also said that if the g-rat was facedown, then it would be able to search and ss an earth monster. if catastor attacks a faceup one, then it wouldnt search.

my question is..why not?
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If Catastor attacks a face-down monster, Catastor doesn't activate, so you proceed with the battle, Giant Rat is destroyed by battle, and Giant Rat activates.

If Giant Rat is face-up, its Attribute is not DARK, so it is destroyed by Catastor's effect (not by battle), and so, Giant Rat doesn't activate.
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so once you atk into a f/d g-rat and it is flipped face up, then the dmg step had already begun thus catastor doesnt get the effect. i think...something like that

sigh, where is that dmg step thread again? its stickied right?

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At the top of this forum, "Read before posting". It's the fourth post in the thread or so.
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so my body as a shield can be chained to catastor's effect to stop it and destroy catastor, correct? since it isn't an optional effect or anything.
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so my body as a shield can be chained to catastor's effect to stop it and destroy catastor, correct? since it isn't an optional effect or anything.
It can't be chained to Catastor, as you are within the Damage Step.
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whoa, really. alright, thanks.
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