Masters of the Marsh: Wetland Frogs

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

The Frog Deck I plan to make for my locals to crush the dreams of those wannabe Meta-whores. Suggestions?

[41] Deck

[18] Monsters
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[2] Dupe Frog
[3] Flip Flop Frog
[3] Junk Synchron
[1] Sangan
[3] Star Boy
[3] Substitoad
[3] Unifrog

[15] Spells
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[3] Book of Moon
[1] Creature Swap
[1] Heavy Storm
[1] Level Limit Area B
[1] Mystical Space Typhoon
[1] One for One
[1] Pot of Avarice
[1] Scapegoat
[2] Terraforming
[3] Wetlands

[8] Traps
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[2] Aegis of the Ocean Dragon Lord
[2] Bottomless Trap Hole
[1] Call of the Haunted
[1] Gravity Bind
[1] Mirror Force
[1] Torrential Tribute

And Comments and Suggestions are appreciated.

On a side note, Frog Decks are very cheap, correct? Looking through Ebay I can buy most of these cards in playsets for $1 + Shipping. So I assume minus the Bottomless Trap Holes, Mirror Force and such this deck is less then $40, correct?

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[pyrestriker]

Bottomless is common. o.o

Also - No Inferno Reckless Summons? You have SO much special summon support here... Only thing that would make it better is Water Hazard.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

O rly? I was unaware...
Still, I'll still go for the Gold Rares lulz.

I don't like Inferno Reckless Summon simply because it can't activate during the damage step and it can be a dead draw. Otherwise I would.

[Elmomon]

Scapegoat is on there twice. You should be able to spend less than $40 on this deck...I'd say around $20 if you buy them all from one site.

Other than that, go beat some meta-whores.

[pyrestriker]

[3] Mother Grizzly
[2] Junk Synchron
[3] Substitoad
[1] One for One
[1] Call of the Haunted

That's over 1/4 of your deck being able to special summon. Granted, Mother Grizzly won't work with inferno reckless, but 3x Water Hazard makes 10 cards usable with Inferno Reckless.

[IgoogleStuff]

-2 Aegis of Lord
-Creature Swap
+2 Inferno Reckless Summon
+Reinforcement of the Army

-Mother Grizzly
+Junk Synchron

OTK possibilities, man. One for One a Star boy from your hand for substitoad. Play Junk Synchron. Inferno Reckless Summon Star boys. Play Wetlands for a 7000+ Junk warrior beater or just 3 beefed star boys.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Originally Posted by Elmomon

Scapegoat is on there twice. You should be able to spend less than $40 on this deck...I'd say around $20 if you buy them all from one site.

Other than that, go beat some meta-whores.

Thanks for pointing that out. I knew there was something wrong. Lets me add that 3rd Book of Moon.
Money is not a factor for me really, unless it goes over $100. But $20 is ideal especially sense this is only a temporary/fun deck. Very Cool.

Originally Posted by pyrestriker

[3] Mother Grizzly
[2] Junk Synchron
[3] Substitoad
[1] One for One
[1] Call of the Haunted

That's over 1/4 of your deck being able to special summon. Granted, Mother Grizzly won't work with inferno reckless, but 3x Water Hazard makes 8 cards usable with Inferno Reckless.

I forgot about Junk Synchron and Call of the Haunted. Still, I am not a fan of the card, and don't like using it at all. It just makes me feel... Unclean. Don't go into it.
Not a fan of Water Hazard either. I don't like Hand Thinning =P.

[IgoogleStuff]

Ignore my suggestions that own...

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Originally Posted by IgoogleStuff

-2 Aegis of Lord
-Creature Swap
+2 Inferno Reckless Summon
+Reinforcement of the Army

-Mother Grizzly
+Junk Synchron

OTK possibilities, man. One for One a Star boy from your hand for substitoad. Play Junk Synchron. Inferno Reckless Summon Star boys. Play Wetlands for a 7000+ Junk warrior beater or just 3 beefed star boys.

I really don't like OTKs. So many things can go wrong that can ruin them. I personally like the pecking action that Unifrog brings to the table.
I might drop a Grizzly for Junk Synchron though. He is so cool...
I like Aegis of the Ocean Dragon Lord. Keep my frogs from dying, laugh at Gyazarus. So fun. THough if it does not run well I will drop it.

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Originally Posted by IgoogleStuff

Ignore my suggestions that own...

Didn't ignore just writing post while you posted yours.

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[Sira]

I'd consider Giant Trunade over Heavy Storm, just so you don't destroy your own Area Limit/Gravity Bind as often.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

I could, but I'm not really worried about destroying them, as long as I have another Wetlands in hand.

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[IgoogleStuff]

The thing is, a frog deck is quite versatile in the sense that it can be focused on OTK, but still function really well without an early OTK. Also, ever considered running an avarice over a salvage or another card? Substitoad + Frog = Dump them all into grave and then use avarice to shuffle in for a +1.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

I very well could use Pot of Avarice over a Salvage. PoA has failed to help me on many occasions, but I can imagine it working in this deck. The only thing that would suck is dead drawing into it. This deck can't wait for Moray of Greed though.

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[Bandit Kade]

Why no Dupe Frog? Him and Substitoad work well together.

Why no Mirror Force, and subsequently Froggy Forcefield. (I would assume similar reasons to Force)

Why no Graceful revival?

Three Books would seem like a good idea for Submarine Frog, but why three?

annnnd, if you had Gold Sarcophagus, what would you put it in for?


... I'm sorry for asking so many questions. It seems like a solid build, I think I'm just missing something.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

I am using Sangan over Dupe Frog. I can easily switch and may just do so.

See, I forgot about Mirror Force somehow. That is going to be added in right now. Froggy Forcefield is bad IMO though.

I don't like Graceful Revival I have Junk Synchron and CotH.

3 books is good sense it is so versatile. But I would never waste it for the use of Submarine Frog. He is not worth one.

Nothing. I don't like Gold Sarcophagus in a deck like this nor do I have any plans to get one in the near future.

[pyrestriker]

Originally Posted by TC X0 Lt 0X

I am using Sangan over Dupe Frog. I can easily switch and may just do so.

See, I forgot about Mirror Force somehow. That is going to be added in right now. Froggy Forcefield is bad IMO though.

I don't like Graceful Revival I have Junk Synchron and CotH.

3 books is good sense it is so versatile. But I would never waste it for the use of Submarine Frog. He is not worth one.

Nothing. I don't like Gold Sarcophagus in a deck like this nor do I have any plans to get one in the near future.

Wait, how is Froggy Forcefield bad in a Frog deck?

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Originally Posted by pyrestriker

Wait, how is Froggy Forcefield bad in a Frog deck?

It needs a frog to be a target of an attack. In a Frog deck, especially a Wetland one, Gravity Bind and Level Limit would laugh this card away. The only reason I use Mirror Force is too save me from OTKs.
I prefer Aegis of the Ocean Dragon Lord over Forcefield any day. Keep my frogs safe from battle and effects that would destroy them. The monsters that attacked could then be blown away by Flip Flop frog(s).
PLus I don't have the room for them. =P

[Bandit Kade]

Oh, right. Aegis is less situational. And, if Flippy-floppy gets attacked, he blows a card away, anyway. Not to mention the fact that if he's on the field with other frogs, he can blow away almost all of them. Though, Aegis doesn't protect against Caius and Raiza, two big cards that are expected to dominate the format. I mean, neither does Forcefield, but I believe this is supposed to be an anti-meta deck?

And I totally overlooked a lot of those things. Though I would argue that Sarc is able to fit in to any deck. If I were to add one, it would be in place of a Terraforming, simply because you can search for more, even if you have to wait two turns.

Oh, and one more thing: I didn't see two Dupe frogs the first time I saw this. I'm not sure if it's because I'm blind, or if yo changed something. Let me change my question to: "Why no Treeborn Frog?" Yes, I know you're running Level Limits and Gravity Binds, but not only is he good fodder for Substitoad, but he's also another target for One-for-one, whether it's for the discard or summoning.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Yeah I put 2 Dupes in.
This deck is not really an Anti-Meta deck. This is supposed to be a cheap Temporary Deck for my locals until I get a real deck. AKA when all the Fortune Ladies are out. Then it will be downgraded to a fun deck. I know I don't need to worry about Monachs at my locals so I don't need to worry. The only thing I need to worry about are GLADs and TragicGadgets, plus maybe Chaos/??? if the player running it gets his deck to be competent.
I lulz at the GLADs, and as for the Gadgets I can always side in Trap Eater and Dust Tornado's.

[RyannayR]

Originally Posted by TC X0 Lt 0X

On a side note, Frog Decks are very cheap, correct?

I'd rather buy a sandwich than a frog deck.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Originally Posted by lostprophet64

I'd rather buy a sandwich than a frog deck.

Cool Story =P

[RyannayR]

yeah it does!

[IgoogleStuff]

I like dupe if you run 2 PoA's in combination with Substitoad draw combo. Can give you +2 with that combo, but it is duelers preference.

[TC X0 Lt 0X]

Bump for the night.

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[Bandit Kade]

Another surprise: PoA over Salvage. The only monsters you can't use Salvage on are your darks. I would assume it has something to do with substitoad.

Also, have you considered Water Hazard? It's a simple way of completing the Dupe+Sub combo.

Also, because it's been driving me nuts, where did the picture for your avatar originate? It's clearly popular among those in this forum, and I would assume it has 4-chan origins, mostly due to it;s goofyness and it's oh, exploitable!