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06-26-2009, 09:59 AM
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Star Surfer
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No. Dad/JD stuff ruined the game.
Synchros didn't. As long as they only continute to make type/attribute specific synchros, I'm fine. No more of this Goyo crap.
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Originally Posted by Peps
Synchros should never have been generic. If they were tuner specific or required certain materials, they'd be much better. Tele-DAD probably wouldn't even have existed, and Dark Strike Fighter probably wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is now.
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I think even Kevin Tewart himself agrees with this. But of course he will just say: "I wasn't working for konami back then."
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06-26-2009, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SmallPickled
I think synchros added a lot to the game, but I think a few of them were done poorly. DSF and Brionac are obviousy broken, Goyo is overpowered, and the generic synchros are better than the none generic ones 8 times out of 10.
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06-26-2009, 10:16 AM
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That's just one synchro out of the many broken generic ones....
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06-26-2009, 10:20 AM
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Star Surfer
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Goyo should have been warriors and had 2400 ATK.
Dark Strike should have been machines only.
Black Rose is ok.
Brionac should have been water monsters or something.
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06-26-2009, 11:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharaoh Atem
Collapse, I wouldn't say. It sells like hotcakes.
It's less that and moreso the end of non-Special Summons being all that practical.
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I was referring to quality rather than profitability, though in retrospect I suppose that "collapse" implies the latter.
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All of your arguments are based on the opinion that overpowered cards are bad for the game.
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Originally Posted by uchiha_itachi
LS winning SJC is like Amazonesses winning SJC.
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06-26-2009, 11:54 AM
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Dr. Crowler...?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shining Blue-eyes
In a good format I doubt Synchro's would see much play at all, as all of the non-broken ones are inferior to Monarchs.
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Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind can attack over Monarchs without card investment.
Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind + Gravekeeper's Spy (a common Monarch fodder engine) -> Arcanite the Synchro Monarch or Black Rose Overextension Punishment Dragon.
Not to mention the added utility in general one gains being able to turn tribute fodder into just about any Synchro to pressure the opponent on those turns where your hand is left Monarch-less.
You should be saying that "In a Monarch format, Synchros wouldn't end games as quickly as they do now", as there are plenty of reasons to 'use' them (use: include in Extra Deck) simply due to how good some Tuners are, even in said Monarch format. |
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06-26-2009, 11:56 AM
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Lets not ban synchros and say we did. They added more flavor to the game if anything.
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It doesn't blow up the field, make your opponent discard their entire hand and remove every card in your opponent's Graveyard from play.
Of course it isn't playable.
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06-26-2009, 12:09 PM
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Glad Beast would **** everything
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06-26-2009, 12:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalG
Glad Beast would **** everything
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My Dragon deck doesn't use Synchs and eats Glad Beasts.
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06-26-2009, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Blue
My Dragon deck doesn't use Synchs and eats Glad Beasts.
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um no. It was generally a proven fact that pre synchros Nothing even came close to beating Glads. I mean 7 SJCs in a row, 2 Nationals and Worlds come on
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06-26-2009, 12:13 PM
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We have a LOT more cards now then we did then.
And Bestiary is limited, making DERP DERP GYZARUS less frequent.
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06-26-2009, 12:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitsune Blue
DERP DERP GYZARUS less frequent.
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06-26-2009, 12:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitsune Blue
We have a LOT more cards now then we did then.
And Bestiary is limited, making DERP DERP GYZARUS less frequent.
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ROFL no it didnt. Cat makes getting out gyzarus and Herk (especially) even easier, now they dont even have to use Prisma
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06-26-2009, 12:18 PM
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Too bad Cat should be banned anyways, right? :\
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06-26-2009, 06:05 PM
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I think synchros make the game fun and are fine.
DSF and maybe Goyo break synchros though.
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06-26-2009, 06:28 PM
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THe only Ban worthy synchros be DSF.
GOYO is overpowered but it's like Tarmogoyf.
Brionac is not TCG legal so we can't judge it thouroughly yet.
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06-26-2009, 06:36 PM
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The only "broken" sychro is Dark Strike Fighter. Any other sychro especially the big ones only appear to be unfair because of being special summons. This was somtehing I don't think card design anticipated, being able to speed the game up significantly.
There are a couple of changes which could've been mAde. First, a variety of ruling changes on limiting the frequency of synchro summoning per turn. Or, they could've made weaker stats.
In short the problem lies in numbers rather than effect, except for DSF
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06-26-2009, 07:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlanetCrack
The only "broken" sychro is Dark Strike Fighter. Any other sychro especially the big ones only appear to be unfair because of being special summons. This was somtehing I don't think card design anticipated, being able to speed the game up significantly.
There are a couple of changes which could've been mAde. First, a variety of ruling changes on limiting the frequency of synchro summoning per turn. Or, they could've made weaker stats.
In short the problem lies in numbers rather than effect, except for DSF
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We only think Goyo is broken, and we only assume that Stardust is overpowered.
Etc.... etc...
DSF is by no means the only broken Synchro.
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06-26-2009, 07:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitsune Blue
Too bad Cat should be banned anyways, right? :\
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Too bad Cat Synchro in the TCG is a joke.
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06-26-2009, 07:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterFox72
Well I don't really like the mechanic, but there's no way ever they will all be banned.
Synchros have sped up the game to an incredible pace, so I think the best option now is to unlimit all the stall cards and rebalance the format.
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I like speed games myself. I happen to think that the Synchro mechanic adds yet another layer of complexity to the already crazy game we have come to know and love. I'd hate to see that go away, especially since we've adapted to it so quickly.
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Originally Posted by DarkCardTrooper
I think synchros make the game fun and are fine.
DSF and maybe Goyo break synchros though.
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I agree with DSF, but Goyo was only a real danger in twos/threes. Now, he is more than capable of being dealt with.
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06-26-2009, 07:58 PM
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Star Surfer
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The stall cards currently limited would not be a problem if at 3 in today's meta. These cards are: Level Limit, G-Bind, Swords (both). Those 4 can go to 3.
We need more stall cards to stop this craziness.
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06-26-2009, 11:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Howard
We only think Goyo is broken, and we only assume that Stardust is overpowered.
Etc.... etc...
DSF is by no means the only broken Synchro.
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06-26-2009, 11:21 PM
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No to Imperialism
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitsune Blue
My Dragon deck doesn't use Synchs and eats Glad Beasts.
umad?
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Play for self banning from pojo? I'll straight up tell you I'm going to use GB too. |
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06-26-2009, 11:28 PM
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Pojo Veteran
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I think they made the game more interesting.
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06-26-2009, 11:28 PM
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Pojo Comic Relief
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I would want to watch this.
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