Countering the Forbidden List

[Relinquished]

The point of this thread is to discuss the possibilties of creating cards that will allow Konami/UDE to take some of the more broken cards off of the Forbidden List entirely. And if you, the players, would have a problem with those cards coming back even if they had a perfect counter.

Example:

Payment Blocker
Normal Spell

By sending this card from your hand or deck to the graveyard when your opponent pays Life Points to activate the effect of a card, negate the activation and effect of that card and destroy it.

If we had a card like this then I wouldn't care if they brought Cyber Stein back to 3. This card also means absolutely nothing would need to be done to Demise. Hell, this card also makes Chaos Emperor Dragon extremely hard to use.

And what about this one:

Time Skip
Normal Spell

By sending this card from your hand or deck to the graveyard when an effect your opponent controls forces you to skip your draw phase, draw 2 cards.

Yata and Time Seal are back with no problem. This card is infinitely better for countering Yata than Corpse of Yata could ever dream of being.

Thoughts?

[The Quiff]

Originally Posted by Relinquished

Time Skip
Normal Spell

By sending this card from your hand or deck to the graveyard when an effect your opponent controls forces you to skip your draw phase, draw 2 cards.

Hehe, I would hope it's able to be activated in the Damage Step...

[Masterofredeyes]

So we should design cards that serve no other purpose than to counter one specific card? We tried that once it was Anti-Raigeki, White Whole, and Gryphons Feather Duster which were designed to counter Raigeki, Dark Hole, and Harpies Feather Duster. All of which failed horribly. Let's learn from the past shall we?

[Relinquished]

Originally Posted by Masterofredeyes

So we should design cards that serve no other purpose than to counter one specific card? We tried that once it was Anti-Raigeki, White Whole, and Gryphons Feather Duster which were designed to counter Raigeki, Dark Hole, and Harpies Feather Duster. All of which failed horribly. Let's learn from the past shall we?

But those were card specific counters. The cards I'm suggesting are more general.

I'm thinking along the same lines of when Konami made Pulling the Rug to try and stop Monarchs and Gadgets, but the cards I would like to see made would have to be a lot more consistant, hence why I made them able to activate from the deck.

[T-Drag]

It's a noble intention, but players would more or less be forced to maindeck these cards in order to stop Yata and Stein, especially (I never saw Time Seal as an issue). Accordingly, their decks would lose valuable deck space, which could otherwise accommodate interesting strategies and combos. Yata, Stein, and their brethren, though somewhat de-fanged by your new cards, would still dictate many of the mained and sided cards in most decks, which isn't ideal.

[The_Gravekeeper]

If you want something like this, just make a Solemn Judgment that can be played from the hand on either player's turn.

[Masterofredeyes]

Originally Posted by Relinquished

But those were card specific counters. The cards I'm suggesting are more general.

I'm thinking along the same lines of when Konami made Pulling the Rug to try and stop Monarchs and Gadgets, but the cards I would like to see made would have to be a lot more consistant, hence why I made them able to activate from the deck.

Pulling the Rug is the perfect example of a bad card. It was a waste of set space. You don't make cards to specificly counter one thing and then design a format to make it good. You make cards that are good and can counter many things and leave it in the hands of the players to get the best of them.

The cards you mentioned are really poor examples as well. As it stands their spell speed would be 2. This means that Time Seal is the only card that it could counter. In addition the other card for countering life pymts at most would stop Demise and Stein but the fact is we already have cards to do that. Specific counter, which is exactly what you are making, are not good nor healthy for the game and all they do is take up set space for cards that could be.

[Torrential]

We don't need counters to cards on the Forbidden list. We need support for other themes thats as good or better than cards on the Forbidden list. Well, some stuff needs to be gone forever, but a lot of the stuff on the Forbidden list could come back if other themes had adequate support.

[PMasterS]

Originally Posted by T-Drag

It's a noble intention, but players would more or less be forced to maindeck these cards in order to stop Yata and Stein, especially (I never saw Time Seal as an issue). Accordingly, their decks would lose valuable deck space, which could otherwise accommodate interesting strategies and combos. Yata, Stein, and their brethren, though somewhat de-fanged by your new cards, would still dictate many of the mained and sided cards in most decks, which isn't ideal.

Its worse than that, by doing this you people would not run cards like Steinunless they were certain that their opponents were not maining or siding the cards to counter it in such a way.

This would cause them to see no play at all at first so side deck space would be wasted continuously for these cards just so that people wouldn't be able to main them anymore, because if people stopped siding against them, then they would instantly see play.

[xSvDGen]

Originally Posted by Masterofredeyes

Pulling the Rug is the perfect example of a bad card. It was a waste of set space. You don't make cards to specificly counter one thing and then design a format to make it good. You make cards that are good and can counter many things and leave it in the hands of the players to get the best of them.

The cards you mentioned are really poor examples as well. As it stands their spell speed would be 2. This means that Time Seal is the only card that it could counter. In addition the other card for countering life pymts at most would stop Demise and Stein but the fact is we already have cards to do that. Specific counter, which is exactly what you are making, are not good nor healthy for the game and all they do is take up set space for cards that could be.

pulling the rug bad?

this card is amazing against demise's searchers, gadgets, monarchs, stratos,

[PMasterS]

Originally Posted by Dgenerate_4Life

pulling the rug bad?

this card is amazing against demise's searchers, gadgets, monarchs, stratos,

Its not so good against Demise as they could easily already have the combo or draw into it and if they go first then they get a search off fist anyway even if you have it in hand.
Also they can side decree against it.

Honestly Skill drain is better against Demise.


Gadgets are a fairly poor deck anyway unless they are running Decree and if they are then ptr does nothing to them.


Ptr only counters the monarchs if they summon and use the effects, ther eare plenty of cards in the deck which can still allow them to win even without monarch effects, especially if you have gotten rid of a lot of your other defences for ptr.


Stratos is 1 card, you never main or side against one card unless that card is the sole win condition of the deck, and I can't think of an example of that atm.

[xSvDGen]

Originally Posted by PMasterS

Its not so good against Demise as they could easily already have the combo or draw into it and if they go first then they get a search off fist anyway even if you have it in hand.
Also they can side decree against it.

Honestly Skill drain is better against Demise.


Gadgets are a fairly poor deck anyway unless they are running Decree and if they are then ptr does nothing to them.


Ptr only counters the monarchs if they summon and use the effects, ther eare plenty of cards in the deck which can still allow them to win even without monarch effects, especially if you have gotten rid of a lot of your other defences for ptr.


Stratos is 1 card, you never main or side against one card unless that card is the sole win condition of the deck, and I can't think of an example of that atm.

the only monarchs effect that is optional is mobius the other's are not optional

[Rezman55]

Pulling the Rug

This card has saved my butt from Gadgets,Demise Searchers,Monarchs,Stratos.
Most monarchs mained are Rizer,Thesty,Zaborg.
Mobi is usually in their Side decks.

Plus Skill Drain negates your own monsters also....

They can make counters but it stilll doesn't justify if Something like Stein can come back,even more everyone would have to main those specific counters just to survive the format.

Only way some cards can come back if they rewrite them.

We would have to mained Six plus cards in our deck,also.
Well that's my thought on it.

[Masterofredeyes]

Originally Posted by Dgenerate_4Life

pulling the rug bad?

this card is amazing against demise's searchers, gadgets, monarchs, stratos,

It's a joke. It was design to counter a specific deck design. We don't need **** cards like this we need solid cards back like Goats that did the exact same thing but on a more skill demanding basis. OPTIONS force skill not cards that say "look at me idiot I'll spell it out I can do this." Screw the idea of comboing cards together to form a strategy. Screw the idea of developing control over the game state. Screw anything other than bash bash bash. No a days if a card is not limited in what it can do and simplistic to the point a 5 year old can get it it's on the ban list and it's pathetic.

[Jeremy R]

what is corpse of yata garasu and when is it coming out.