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The Official DC Comics Presents: 52 Thread
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/52_%28comics%29
52 is the title of a comic book limited series to be published by DC Comics, to debut in May 2006, one week after the conclusion of the seven-issue Infinite Crisis. The series will be written by Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid, and Keith Giffen. Each issue of the series will cost $2.50 USD.
Newsarama.com, Wizard magazine, and pre-order solicitations from DC Comics report that after Infinite Crisis #5, the storylines in all of the comic books in the DC Universe will jump forward one year in time. 52 will be published weekly for one year and will comprise 52 issues. The series serves to explain the events which took place during the missing 12 months in DC continuity. Creative teams will shift every story arc. The comic will involve a cast of characters whose stories will be told nowhere else, to encourage curious fans to pick up the comic. There will be six or more independent storylines which will occasionally cross over, and will touch upon nearly every aspect of the post-Infinite Crisis universe. Every character from every series will be seen during the course of the series. The main narrative will be divided into six arcs.
As well, a back-up storyline entitled History of the DC Universe which will run from issues #2 to 11, just as DC Comics published a similar history in two graphic novels at the conclusion of Crisis on Infinite Earths in 1985. Dan Jurgens and Art Thibert is the creative team for History
The use of a weekly publication format is unusual in an industry based on monthly (or less frequent) publication. This has been done at least twice before, both times by DC Comics. In 1988, the eight-issue Millennium limited series was published weekly as an "event" in DC continuity, with each issue tying into various ongoing monthly publications. Shortly thereafter, for less than one year in 1988 and 1989, the long-running series Action Comics was retitled as Action Comics Weekly, and published weekly from issue #601 to issue #642 until changing back to a conventional monthly format.
Story
Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.
The story picks up after the events of Infinite Crisis. DC's primary superheroes Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are nowhere to be found. Several heroes take to the task of picking up after them. The story focuses on what it takes to be a hero in the DC Universe. Heroism is a recurring theme in the series.
In March 2006, both Superman and Batman titles will launch separate 8-issue storylines between their two titles (Superman and Action Comics, and Batman and Detective Comics, respectively). Both titles promise to introduce us to DC's superheroes "one year later" and cause major changes to the characters' status quo.
The Superman storyline is co-written by Geoff Johns and Kurt Busiek, with art by Pete Woods, and cover art by Terry and Rachel Dodson. The four-month, eight-part story arc called "Up, Up and Away" will run through Action Comics #837-840 and Superman #650-653.
It will feature new versions of supervillains the Toyman and the Kryptonite Man, as well as the Prankster. The first part of the story cryptically describes Metropolis bidding farewell to a hero.
The Batman storyline, "Face the Face", is written by James Robinson, with art by Leonard Kirk and Don Kramer. It will run through Batman #651-654 and Detective Comics #817-820. Several Gotham villains are murdered by a mysterious vigilante connected to the new police commissioner.
Nightwing will be a "new man".
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omeone will have replaced Selina Kyle as Catwoman. Pregnant Selina will be using a different name.
Robin will be wanted for murder.
A Batwoman will be introduced.
Green Arrow has dropped out of sight as his alter ego Oliver Queen ran for mayor and took office.
The Outsiders will have publicly disbanded as a superhero team, but will continue to act covertly. The members, led again by Nightwing (**** Grayson), will include Grace, Thunder, Katana, Metamorpho and the new Captain Boomerang.
Supergirl and Power Girl will be teamed together as the heroes Nightwing and Flamebird in the Bottled City of Kandor.
Ravager (Rose Wilson) and Kid Devil, along with two others, will become members of the Teen Titans. The mysterious Titans East will be introduced.
Vandal Savage will crash land on Earth, seeking Green Lantern for retribution for an unknown crime.
Firestorm will no longer be composed of Jason Rusch and Martin Stein, but Jason and Firehawk.
Cancellations
DC Comics has recently announced that, in conjunction with 52 and the "One Year Later..." event, it has cancelled some of its long-running series, including; Wonder Woman (vol.2), The Flash (vol.2), Gotham Central, Batman: Gotham Knights, Plastic Man, JLA , Superman (vol.2) and Batgirl.
Notes
The Question, Renee Montoya, Elongated Man, Booster Gold, Black Adam, and Steel will be the main players in 52 (Wizard #172, p. 73). Giffen has also referred to Adam Strange and Animal Man as major characters in the series[3].
Grant Morrison has mentioned in interviews that he has, in his spare time, redesigned several unused DC characters. He presented them to Dan DiDio as part of his Seven Soldiers of Victory proposal, and some of these will be rolling out with the rest in 2006.
"One of the six leads of 52 won't see the end of the year." (Wizard #172, p. 75).
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03-23-2006, 01:21 PM
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I think this is a stupid idea and just another way for DC to steal money from their fans' wallets. I for one will not be buying it. By the way, in order to get the entire series, you would have to spend 130.00 plus an almost guaranteed Secret Files Special. However, I am ecstatic that they've finally cancelled Plastic Man. It was horrible.
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03-24-2006, 12:42 PM
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I'd like to be able to get all 52 issues, but I have a bad enough time trying to keep up with monthly issues. Unless they release it in a trade (fingers crossed), I'll just read it when I can. What's got me most excited is Catwoman getting pregnant. Who's the daddy, and who is the new Catwoman? I also want to see this new direction that Aquaman is going in, and Ion, just to see how Kyle becomes Ion again.
I wonder how they're going to pull it off. There has got to be a LOT of planning and pulling together for this one to work.
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03-24-2006, 02:06 PM
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DC is letting people subscribe to all of 52 for $100.
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03-24-2006, 03:28 PM
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I think it's a cool idea. I'm not sure who far ahead of the game they are now, but hopefully they'll be able to keep up. But a weekly book for $2 or whatever it is, is too much for me. I think I'll listen in to the buzz and pick up the issues I find intriguing. They said Black Adam would be a major player, so thats keeping me somewhat interested.
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03-24-2006, 08:20 PM
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I think this is a stupid idea and just another way for DC to steal money from their fans' wallets.
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All comics are designed to get money from people's pockets.
Anyways, I'm interested, but will in no way buy all the issues. There are plenty of other ways to obtain them.
However, The Question is gonna be in it, so it's bound to be at least acceptable.
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05-19-2006, 08:26 AM
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I liked issue #1. It was just an intro to the main players, but it was still cool. I'm not a Booster fan, but his scene att he hero's meeting was the best part. I haven't picked up issue#2 yet...I flipped through it quickly...and wasn't too interested. I might skip this one.
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05-19-2006, 05:27 PM
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Well, there are 52 issues, and they're released weekly, I'll probably "obtain" them along with my other weekly manga downloads. It'll probably get better as it goes along. I personally am a fan of Booster, Question, Elongated Man, and Montoya, so I'll definitely be picking the series up. I mean, come on, any series that involves the Question DODGING A FREAKING BULLET can't be all that bad.
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Man, the many things Jackie can do with just a chair throughout his movie career are amazing.
And then you placing him in an Ikea store...That is like Unlimited Blade Works on crack for Jackie.
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05-21-2006, 11:01 AM
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I caved in and pikced up issue #2. It was so-so. The Question's part really did steal the show and I'll admit that Booster Gold's part with the plane was also cleverly done. Wonder Girl's cult like part was kind of odd. Not sure I liked that part. My question: Who did that extra bra belong too? Both of the girls were wearing them .
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05-21-2006, 11:12 AM
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Well there room was a bit of a messso maybe it was just last nigths?
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06-04-2006, 01:39 AM
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batwoman appears in 52...
Batwoman Is Back As a Lesbian
By LARRY McSHANE, Associated Press Writer
NEW YORK - Years after she first emerged from the Batcave, Batwoman is coming out of the closet.
DC Comics is resurrecting the classic comic book character as a lesbian, unveiling the new Batwoman in July as part of an ongoing weekly series that began this year. The 5-foot-10 superhero comes with flowing red hair, knee-high red boots with spiked heels, and a form-fitting black outfit.
"We decided to give her a different point of view," explained Dan DiDio, vice president and executive editor at DC. "We wanted to make her a more unique personality than others in the Bat-family. That's one of the reasons we went in this direction."
The original Batwoman was started in 1956, and killed off in 1979. The new character will share the same name as her original alter ego, Kathy Kane. And the new Batwoman arrives with ties to others in the Gotham City world.
"She's a socialite from Gotham high society," DiDio said. "She has some past connection with Bruce Wayne. And she's also had a past love affair with one of our lead characters, Renee Montoya."
Montoya, in the "52" comic book series, is a former police detective. Wayne, of course, is Batman's true identity _ but he has disappeared, along with Superman and Wonder Woman, leaving Gotham a more dangerous place.
The "52" series is a collaboration of four acclaimed writers, with one episode per week for one year. The comics will introduce other diverse characters as the story plays out.
"This is not just about having a gay character," DiDio said. "We're trying for overall diversity in the DC universe. We have strong African-American, Hispanic and Asian characters. We're trying to get a better cross-section of our readership and the world."
The outing of Batwoman created a furor of opinions on Web sites devoted to DC Comics. Opinions ranged from outrage to approval. Others took a more tongue-in-cheeck approach to the announcement.
"Wouldn't ugly people as heroes be more groundbreaking?" asked one poster. "You know, 200-pound woman, man with horseshoe hair loss pattern, people with cold sores, etc.?"
DiDio asked that people wait until the new Batwoman's appearance in the series before they pass judgment.
"You know what? Judge us by the story and character we create," he said. "We are confident that we are telling a great story with a strong, complex character."
DiDio spent most of the morning fielding phone calls from media intrigued by the Batwoman reinvention.
"It's kind of weird," he said. "We had a feeling it would attract some attention, but we're a little surprised it did this much."
Huh, now this isn't something one was expecting. I think it could be interesting, especially with the drawing talents already on this book. And the story should be interesting. What is everyone else's thoughts?
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06-05-2006, 12:18 PM
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I really, really hate it when DC does a press release before the book even hits. I say, let the book hit, THEN do the press release, makes it appear that you aren't angling for more sales when you really are.
That said - I HATE marketing driven storylines.
Don't get me wrong, I could care less that the new Batwoman is homosexual. Good on DC, they've had gay characters in there for years, about time that one was given prominence. However, I don't like at all the way they're going about selling her to the public.
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06-05-2006, 12:59 PM
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Good on DC, they've had gay characters in there for years, about time that one was given prominence. However, I don't like at all the way they're going about selling her to the public.
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was one actually anounced openly as gay though? i agree with you about the way they are selling it, it is kinda lame, they might not have even had to do the press release at all.
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06-05-2006, 01:26 PM
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Yeah, there have been several openly gay characters in the DCU before.
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06-05-2006, 07:33 PM
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This whole Batwoman thing kind of bothers me. While DC has constantly said that the whole lesbian thing isn't going to be a major factor, it will in the end. The whole thing seems like a ploy to hype this up. Obvioiusly, its to sell, but what isn't in this market? The problem I have with hype is that the actual thing usually doesn't live up to the hype fans make and it dissapoints everyone. I have a feeling the issue of 52 will sell well, and Batwoman will be stuffed down our throats even more than she already has been, and then, when the hype dies down, she'll be gone. I have no problem with the actual character...except I'm not a big fan of the costume...but whatever lol. I'm not sure what the big deal is with her being gay. There are plenty of gay characters. I mean, its good DC isn't avoiding the use of them, but it doesn't seem like something to make a big deal or hype over. It should just be a nice little addition. Theres no need to blow this up.
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Stranded on a Paradise Planet with a Naked Starfire.... (52 Week 5 Spoilers)
Stranded on a Paradise Planet with a Naked Starfire.... (52 Week 5 Spoilers) ... and blind....
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Adam Strange is officially the unluckiest man in the DC Universe.
Oh what I'd give to be in Animal Man's shoes right now.
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I am really liking 52 it has a somewhat slow pace, but you can get away with that because its weekly. I will probably end up collecting the whole thing unless it starts getting horrible. I can even pick a favorite main story either I like them all alot.
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I'm still trying to figure out how Adam Strange is fixing the machine with no eyes...you'd think one of those other two would at least be helping by giving directions or something.
Animal Man doesn't look like he cares about Starfire...he's a good hubby.
52s been alright so far. Steel's part bored me though. I'm waiting for Lobo!
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The Official DC Comics Presents: 52 Thread
I read DC 52 #1 - 11 all at once last night
I've been reading DC Comics since I was a little lad, in the mid-70's. My introduction to comics came from my parents, who used to take me to the Drive In movies (anyone remember those) and buy issues of current comics to read before the show. When I was about 8 they just gave me all those books. Classic Silver-Age stuff, including ASM #122 (which despite it's current lack of a cover is still one of my favorite books), and a ton of DC stuff. My mom really loved Lois Lane, and my dad was a big fan of Supes and Bats. When I turned 10 (1981) a comic book store opened mere minutes away from my house; one Saturday, in order to get rid of me for a couple hours, my mom gave me $10 and said "Go to the new comic book store". A life-long hobby was born.
Having collected comics for over 25 years I've seen the good and the bad in the industry For a time during the early 90's I worked for that same comic book store (in between REAL jobs), and witnessed first hand the Image/Valiant explosion/implosion. The speculator boom, Spider-Man #1, X-Men #1, Spawn #1, I sold copies of those books the day they came out. I saw the rise of the black and white indie books with long titles in the wake of TMNT. I've seen good comic companies come and go (First, Eclipse) and bad comic companies with decent ideas fail miserably to capture market share (Tekno, Defiant, the list could go on and on).
Let's face it, this industry has it's ups and downs both creatively and financially over the years. My belief right now is that we're at a stable point in both cases. Creatively there are some VERY good books, but there is also a lot of trash and bloating amongst the big two. I'm happy with what the major independents are producing, especially Image, after SWEARING that I would never purchase an Image comic in the beginning (and I still have NEVER bought a single issue of Spawn or anything that Todd McFarlane has worked on since...errr....Invasion #1 or maybe Spider-Man #5). Dark Horse has some of my favorite creators as institutions, including Mike Mignola and especially Matt Wagner, who's Grendel is a singlular passion of mine (I'm the guy who runs WWW.Geocities.com/Wmnoe/Grendel.html, some of you may have visited).
Throughout it all, I've remained a loyal DC Zombie. At the end of the day, DC has the Big Three - Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman. These are American Icons that have stood the test of time and to me represent the best and worst of American Values. Plus I've always had a great affinity for the wacky, magical second/third tier characters like Deadman (PROUDLY owning Strange Adventures #205), Metamorpho, Phantom Stranger, and the Demon. When Vertigo launched I once attempted to purchase EVERY comic they produced.
These days I find myself at a crossroads. I've turned 35, and quite frankly I can't afford to buy comics anymore. I'm married with a child on the way, and I'm currently in between jobs. My wife makes enough money to keep us going, but without a steady gig, comics are out of the question. While attending UCLA for the last two years I was a regular at Jay and Silent Bobs in Westwood, making some great friends, but I'm dismayed at some of the current staff, so I stopped buying books there. I still read comics, but not as often, and usually in large chunks, ala trades or...other methods that I won't go into.
Phew - long intro.
Anyway, on to 52.
Many long time DCer remember that this isn't the first time DC has tried a weekly - Action Comics Weekly? Yeah, I have every issue in storage somewhere. While that anthology book was extremely hit and miss, 52 is fairly solid. BY taking characters who can't possibly handle their own book and mixing up the stories, we get a strong narrative that explains what happened in the one year gap. Now, I haven't read ANY of the One Year Later stories, except for the Superman "Up, Up and Away" arc, which was strangely reminiscent of Superman Returns.
Even before 52 #1 hit the market, we were told that new and interesting characters would be introduced. #8 and 11 are sure to be collector's items featuring the first appearances of the new Lesbian Batwoman. That's not a bad thing mind you, though I'm not convinced that it's not all a marketing ploy. Creatively it's a bold move, introducing a main character who is homosexual, though it would be FAR more bold to make that character a flaming queen, rather than a lipstick lesbian.
While I appreciate the Booster Gold main stories, it's getting old, very quickly. This is the same Booster that we saw with the Conglomerate (wasn't that the name) and the same Booster from the old JLI. When tragedy strikes, so often do we revert to past behaviors, so psychologically speaking, the death of Ted Kord has had a great deal of impact on Booster. The fact that it's taking him so long to figure this out is annoying. However, I think a large turn in character is in order, because after all, a protagonist with virtually ZERO positive qualities is pretty boring to read. Unless he's a total cad, and Booster is not.
The Renee Montoya/Question storyline is intriguing, more because I haven't followed Montoya's career since way back in the Knightfall era, though I knew she'd been outed. It does seem as if she's there only to provide a back-story for Kate Kane (nice name BTW - I'm sure Bob is more than overjoyed). Of course anything involving the Question is a plus, especially after his fantastic mini-series from last year. Loved the bit in the beginning with the Bat-Symbol.
Using Black Adam as the antagonist is a bit of genius, allowing us to see his motivations both good and bad. His relationship with Adrianna is also promising, as we don't often get to see a strong bond between a "villain" and his would-be slave, though she has obviously progressed beyond that point. This is my second favorite storyline in the series.
That begs the question, what's my favorite? Easy, Magnus and Morrow. Yes it smacks a tad of the whole Clarice/Lector paradigm, but that cat's out of the bag, and has been used, reused and parodied to death. This is set-up for something great to come, and has, in all probability, the keys to the future storylines. Read between the line in their conversation, it's all there.
So if that's my favorite, what's my least favorite? I've already mentioned in elsewhere that the stuff with Clark and Lois is weak, and it is. Sure we're interested in what happened during the intrium to the Man of Tomorrow, but we got that already in his own title. Why is he here? Is he going to undercover the identity of Supernova? And do we care?
Finally, I'd like to address the History of the DCU backups. Owning both the original two-issue mini-series and the BEAUTIFUL Hardcover from Graphitti, I'm naturally interested in the ongoing attempt by DC to reconcile their own universe's continuity. For all it's faults, and it has many, Infinite Crisis did quite a bit to fix the problems that have cropped up over the years. Conceptually I like this backup feature as a way to inform new fans and keep old fans interested. HOWEVER, the execution has been just piss-poor. Using Donna Troy as a doppleganger for Harbinger is smart, especially given all that she's gone through, but the dialogue is much too simplistic, and much of the territory covered is not ancient history, but rather stuff that JUST happened in the last year. I'd much rather see more detail on the anomalies rather than a straight rehashing of series I already read. ESPECIALLY when it comes to characters like Jason Todd and Hawkman who have a lot of mysteries to explore.
Thus far I find this series to be promising, but it's not quite there yet.
And who or what is 52? Wouldn't it be funny if it was just another version of the Royal Flush Gang, only this time they have one card for every one in the deck, led by...the Joker?
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I believe Kathy Kane was actually originally created by Bob Kane (in Pre-Crisis continuity), and he did indeed model her after his wife.
Jason Todd's ressurection was covered in the last Batman Annual, Superboy Prime's retcon punched reality to make it so that Jason didn't die. He woke up in his coffin, and his coffin was designed to keep others out, not to keep whoever was inside in, so he managed to get out without setting off any of Batman's safeguards (BS if you ask me). The graveyard dudes didn't want any trouble when they found the empty coffin, so they just put it back in the ground. However, Jason was still brain damaged, and spent a while wandering the streets. However, he also still retained his fighting instincts, and displayed them while defending himself against a mugger. An agent of Ra's Al Ghul immediately recogized him as the Boy Wonder and contacted Ra's. Ra's kept him and brought him to his residence, but could see no use for the boy, so kept him as a trump card against his rival Batman. Talia didn't think it right, and dumped him in the Lazarus Pit, restoring him, and sending him off with a kiss, telling him that he still remains unavenged. Jason got back to Gotham, and learned that Batman had failed to kill the Joker to avenge him, and this made him angry. So he continued to train and decided to make a deal with Hush in the whole HUSH fiasco. The fact that his appearance (or facade of his appearance, with him switching with Clayface and all) failed to really bother Batman in a big way made him even angrier. And then the whole Red Hood fiasco comes up.\
Also, did you happen to also like the picture of the writing on the wall?
And I take it you're not reading Brave New World then. Or JLA #0.
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Per Wikipedia (which of course is not 100% accurate)
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Batwoman is primarily associated with the Silver Age of comic books. Her first appearance is in Detective Comics #233 (July 1956).[1] She is a costumed crime-fighter like Batman, his counterpart in many ways. For example, while Batman wears a utility belt, Batwoman carries a utility purse.
Detective Comics #233 (July 1956) Batwoman's first appearance.
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Detective Comics #233 (July 1956) Batwoman's first appearance.
Batman co-creator Bob Kane later claimed that he originally drew her to resemble his wife. The fact that he named her "Kathy Kane" supports this statement; however, Kane used "ghost pencillers" such as Sheldon Moldoff and **** Sprang to draw most Batman comics in the 1950s, and the question of how much input Kane actually had to the Batman stories is disputed.[citations needed]
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However, the current Batwoman, who is a lesbian, is not the same Batwoman that Bob Kane supposedly created way back when. Though Bob was pretty tolerant in his older days (look at his interviews circa 1989 when the Keaton Batman flick released)...
Yes, I had read up on the whole Jason Todd thing, my point wasn't that I needed to know that information, my point was that it would have been nice for the "History of the DCU" to focus on the more esoteric and mysterious aspects of the DCU, rather than rehashing that which was already WELL known.
I've read the most recent two issues since writing this. Thankfully Booster's been pushed to the background (not appearing in either issue). It was extremely jarring to see Cassie Sandsmark being so frickken goofy, and then reading Action #841 right after to see her back in the Titans and gung-ho. Then I remembered that 52 #12 and 13 take place err...what, 9 months before Action #841? If DC is up to the task, they will DEFINITELY explain how Cassie gets back to normal and not leave it a hanging plot thread.
Then again, maybe they have, I don't read Titans.
Loved the babbling Captain Marvel and the Rock of Eternity, and LOVE the new Isis and her effects on Black Adam. Adam is rapidly becoming one of my favorite characters, though it's not like I hated him before.
And then there's poor Ralph. Has any comic character been put through this much of a wringer in recent memory? So he's stopped taking his Gingold, leaving him devoid of powers. He's basically lost his frickken mind, because I don't believe for ONE MOMENT that the Cult of Conner would have been able to resurrect Sue. The moment when Ralph explains to his gathered friends why he specifically brought them to the ceremony was pure classic, and almost 4th wall breaking.
Good stuff, looking forward to more...and was that the Metal Men I saw in the preview for next week?
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08-11-2006, 10:30 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Wasn't there already a 52 thread? Actually, I think there are a couple of threads that have to do with 52.
Anyways, I've kind of like 52...and I've been turned off by a lot of DC's stuff right now...I think I'm only picking up 4-5 titles. Its been a roller coaster though. The first month-month and a half were good and then the story kind of sank. But its picking up again so I guess I'll stick with it. Black Adam's story is easily my favorite. Isis is pretty cool. Last week's (Week 13) issue was very good. Poor Ralph just can't catch a break. Although this recent issue was kind of boring. Besides Adam's, I've found Ralph's story and Renee's story to be the most interesting...although Renee's stuff can really drag. All the Metropolis stuff just bores the crud out of me. Booster, Steel, Supernova, whatever. And yes, it does look like the Metal Man will be coming into big play soon.
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08-11-2006, 02:34 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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You're right there was a 52 thread - so I merged them...my bad.
Haven't read #14 yet...
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08-18-2006, 04:22 PM
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Just read Week 15.
Wow, there go Didio's comments about making Booster into a serious hero. Saying that he's gonna play a big part in Infinite Crisis and stuff like that. And then returning him to his roots and killing him off in a stupid way.
Well, at least Booster's with Beetle now.
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08-23-2006, 06:51 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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I've been disapointed with the entire series thus far. Granted, it's only 15 issues in, about a fourth of the way done, but I'll be honest - I expected a lot better.
It also seems that DC has put most, if not all of their other mini series and events on hold during 52's duration, which also seems kind of silly... then again, after Infinite Crisis, I can do without a crisis in the DCU for about five years.
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