The Official Spider-Man 3 Thread - Part 2 (Spoilers Ahead?)

[Kopaka of Ice]

I hear that they were actually going to use a Silver and Black variant of the comic/cartoon Symbiote suit and that they were going to keep wetting the suit up to keep it shiny. Was this mentioned in Grant Curtis' book?

Here's what was shown as proof:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...7/DSC00094.jpg

[Morzan]

Originally Posted by Kopaka of Ice

I hear that they were actually going to use a Silver and Black variant of the comic/cartoon Symbiote suit and that they were going to keep wetting the suit up to keep it shiny. Was this mentioned in Grant Curtis' book?

Here's what was shown as proof:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...7/DSC00094.jpg

I didn't read anything about wetting the outfit, but yes, it was considered. Frankly, I prefer what we have now. That looks like a "special suit" for after him and MJ are married.

[Kopaka of Ice]

Originally Posted by Morzan

I didn't read anything about wetting the outfit, but yes, it was considered. Frankly, I prefer what we have now. That looks like a "special suit" for after him and MJ are married.

It might also explain why MJ is traumatized of the black suit. ::cough cough.::

But yeah. The suit we have now is definitely an improvement.

[arcinis]

Originally Posted by Morzan

Actually, Venom for an entire film could be extremely boring. In my mind, he's more of a climax villain, if you will. Peter gets the symbiote, and goes on a power trip. On said trip, he could commit some acts that he wouldn't normally do (such as humiliating Eddie and being so vicious in the exposition of his fake photographs). When he looses the suit, it would seem all is right with the world again.

Problem is, you have this mentally unstable ex-photographer you wronged who wants revenge. When said photographer merges with the symbiote, you got a physical manfestation of the dark side of your personality, which is what Venom is.

Venom is not only a manifestation of Spider-Man's blackest qualities, but also a consequence of the power trip the symbiote brought on. He's a final hurdle Spider-Man must overcome before he truly bests the "darkness" within.

This is why I believe Venom works best as a 15-minute villain.

Wow you summed up how venom should be in the movie perfectly.

[`Phenom]

Originally Posted by Kopaka of Ice

I hear that they were actually going to use a Silver and Black variant of the comic/cartoon Symbiote suit and that they were going to keep wetting the suit up to keep it shiny. Was this mentioned in Grant Curtis' book?

Here's what was shown as proof:
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...7/DSC00094.jpg

Man, they should have done that. Its faithful to the comic and looks cool too.

[Kopaka of Ice]

Originally Posted by Shinsō

Man, they should have done that. Its faithful to the comic and looks cool too.

Personally, I like the current movie black suit. It carries a more spiderman-ish feeling on it, even though the traditional black is the original. Even if it's a minor change, the black suit in the movie can still give the idea of being darker; if you compare the spiders, the black suit is a bit more menacing.

The suit they have there looks a little fetish-y as well, though it does look cool. The difference between the mask and suit's tint is kinda evident, too..

[Shake N' Bake]

This movie looks awesome , I'm going to go see it tommorrow after school .

[Carnage4444]

OMG THAT MOVIE WAS HORRIBLE!!!!! WHY DO THEY DO THIS TO ME. paying 10$ to see my hero in one of the WORST MOVIES EVER for 2 hours IS NOT WHAT I WANTED TO SEE. really really disappointed... : ( i can't understand why they keep pushing all this drama and garbage... i can't believe i stood up for this movie all afternoon... alright well i'd rant on but it's not going to change anyone's opinion really. *sigh* just don't expect too much and you'll do just fine.

[shadowstalker]

I liked it. I just didnt compair it to the comics. I didnt care for tht little emo look he had going on but I did enjoy the action.

[Kopaka of Ice]

Warning for Spoilers.

I think the movie's creators were bashing emos (lol). I mean seriously, just look at everyone's reaction to Peter! That made everyone crack up almost as much as seeing the jerk usher back as the french dude! But also I liked how the Russian (?) guy picked up on something being wrong with Peter almost immediately.

As for Venom, he was very Carnage-like. But not maniacal Carnage-like; he was a more justified variant. So what if he wasn't just plain big, he was still awesome. They kinda removed a bit of Brock's internal torture, such as Gwen pretty much cutting him down to nothing. Instead, he just kinda sees her with Peter and gets upset.

New Goblin does a lot more in this compared to the book. I'm not sure I remember the razor bats being used in the book. Nor am I sure he tried attacking Peter with the sword (a friend is borrowing the book). Either way, Franco did good with this.

Thomas Haden Church did his role well, personally. And it kinda sucks how they didn't have the emotional final piece for Sandman; that's something that would have made Church pretty much dominate this film when it comes to emotion. Instead, he just kinda says he's sorry and tells Peter what happened before flying away as a sand cloud. This movie had VERY LITTLE of Marko's family involved in it outside of the beginning and when Sandman looks at his daughter's locket. I think this would've been better with the family parts, but oh well.

People said this movie was horrible and had too many characters. I HIGHLY disagree with that. This movie struck an excellent balance between humor and drama, as well as action. The musical score was ranked on and declared "rehashed", but I only heard the normal Spiderman theme and the Goblin's theme if anything. I liked the jazzy themes; it made me think of sort of older superhero cartoons that my mom and dad had around that I watched. The black suit's theme wasn't too shabby either. Unfortunately, I can't remember it, even though it got stuck in my head.

However, there's characters in this film who just kinda appeared once and were never heard from again. An example would be Marko's family and Captain Stacy. In the book, they had more important parts; in the movie they just kinda show up once, say something, then are off on their merry ways. That sort of bothered me, but hey, it DID still play out well.

Overall, I'd give this film a 8.5/10 as a Spiderman trilogy movie. But as a solo-ish movie, I'd give this a 9/10. It allowed people who were new to Spiderman to see something different yet close to what us older-Spidey viewers had.

[~*Occulence*~]

Anyone else notice the Nick Fury sorta reference? The reporter, Laura Dugan (I think that was the name) at the final battle could have been Dum Dum's (Fury's friend) daughter.


~O~

[piccolo#1]

I thought the movie was pretty good but not near as good as the other two. I'd only give it about a 7. I didn't like the ending that much. Kinda seemed like they just trailed off after the funeral. I also felt the movie was slow in parts such as the part where emo Peter danced around the city streets for what seemed to be 10 minutes. I got it, he's arrogant. Let's move on
Another thing I didn't like was what seemed to be a lack of character development for anyone outside of Peter. A little more than "Peter got me fired, I want him killed" would have been nice to see from the Eddie Brock character. I use to read the comics all the time so I know how in depth the Venom character is but they barely cracked anything at all in this movie. Another character issue that bothered me was Harry/New Goblin. He goes from wanting to kill Peter to helping Peter on a whim. Ok...I'm suppose to believe that after 1 and a half movies of Harry being mentally unstable and wanting to kill Peter Parker that he decides to help Pete just because he asked nicely? Let's not even mention the fact that he had half his face burnt off and this was their first meeting since the encounter. C'mon! Throw me a bone here. At least show some kind of struggle inside of Harry. All in all, it was a good film, not great by any means and it could have been SO much more.

[CrashLove37]

Didn't Green Goblin kill Gwen Stacey in the comics? I guess they couldnt've done that in the movie because Peter wouldnt've asked Harry for help. I like "emo Peter" lol. He looks better that way imo and physically showed how he was changing inside. The movie did seem slow in some parts and rushed in others. One problem I had was that the black suit was an actual suit. It would've been better if it was like it was in the comics.

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I like the end. It seems like Eddie's dead, but there's the possibility of Venom/the symbiote returning and Carnage being created, and it shows Dr. Conners, which makes the the Lizard a possibility for the next movie.

[Johnny Five]

Originally Posted by LPJordy

Didn't Green Goblin kill Gwen Stacey in the comics?

Yep, but they used that story in Spider-Man 1 (except with MJ, a load of children and the fact that no one dies). The movie was great but not as good as Spider-Man 2. Still, Raimi, MacGuire, Dunst and everyone else involved can be happy knowing that they crafted a great trilogy. Plus the black costume was cool. And Bruce Campbell is God.

PS I feel that Spider-Man 4 will suck big without the current cast and crew. Then again, I could be wrong.

[~*Occulence*~]

Originally Posted by Johnny Five

Yep, but they used that story in Spider-Man 1 (except with MJ, a load of children and the fact that no one dies). The movie was great but not as good as Spider-Man 2. Still, Raimi, MacGuire, Dunst and everyone else involved can be happy knowing that they crafted a great trilogy. Plus the black costume was cool. And Bruce Campbell is God.

PS I feel that Spider-Man 4 will suck big without the current cast and crew. Then again, I could be wrong.

The current people aren't coming back?

~*Occulence*~

[CrashLove37]

Tobey McGuire said on the Daily Show, he wasn't sure. I think he would go for another one.

[Kopaka of Ice]

I finally remembered the black suit's theme! It's the first new part of the opening theme.

Anyways, yeah, the movie really didn't need Emo Peter walking around. It should've gone with Sandman's scientist abuse scenes. Making him run around stealing money kinda made him seem a bit weird. I mean, what is he using that money for?!

The reaction in my theater to the movie was pretty good. I think a few kids got traumatized slightly by the black suit though (like 6 year olds...The preteens were gaping at the suit and Peter giving people the beatings of their life). They definitely kidified parts, but then again, who is to blame?

[Johnny Five]

Originally Posted by ~*Occulence*~

The current people aren't coming back?

~*Occulence*~

Their contracts were for three movies, and they haven't confirmed if they will return. Sony and Marvel are pressing on with Spidey 4 regardless.

[Snodin]

I saw the movie over the weekend. Now here's my review...

-The Peter/Mary Jane-angst got really boring by the second hour. I see the signifigance of it, but you'd think after "killing" Sandman the first time, Peter would learn his lesson and realize that something's wrong with him. No. He goes and makes an a--hole of himself in front of everybody in a jazz club. And then he has to HIT Mary Jane to finally snap out of his trance. (I gotta admit though, it was cool to hear the whole audience gasp in horror when that happened.)

-And where were his spider senses!? Seriously, every single thing that happened in the movie, he did NOT see coming. Am I wrong?

-

Originally Posted by LPJordy

and it shows Dr. Conners, which makes the the Lizard a possibility for the next movie.

Dr. Conners was in the second movie too. I was hoping we'd see The Lizard by now... but no. Denied.

-Venom..... Why? Why couldn't they just give us the Eddie/Venom transformation and set it up for the next movie? I mean, seriously. Wasn't the real bad guy here Emo-Spidey all along? Did he HAVE to fight Sandman and Venom at the same time? I don't think so.

-"Harry temporarily loses his memory." Yeah. Great idea that was *gag*. They didn't really do much with that plotline, did they? They could have made his memory come back in the end and set us up for more Goblin vs. Spidey action for Spiderman 4. ....But no. There goes another key player. There goes another awesome baddie. Who's left? Electro? LAME!

-By the way, did Harry really have a sword in the books? 'Cause I gotta tell ya... that was pretty sweet!

-Most of my praise goes to Sandman. Watching him struggle to control himself after fusing with the sand was just unbelievably awesome. And him reaching for the lockt only to lose his grip on it... words can't explain. I'm so glad they didn't kill him off. I just didn't get why he fought Spidey in the climax; is he just the kind of guy who can be talked into doing anything? Meh.

-Bruce Campbell as the Maitre D' nearly stole the show! I swear, if he was onscreen for just two more minutes, everybody would be leaving the theatre talking about him, and nothing else!

-Okay, so maybe I have a few more props than slops. But after all that nit-picking, I gotta say that it was an overall good movie. Not great, but good. If they went and took their time with all the other plot points instead of just the "Peter going bad and messing up his love life" one, or not have any other plot points at all to save us some time, then it would have been excellent.

I gotta give it an 8 out of 10.


LET'S GO, LI-ZARD! *clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*
LET'S GO, LI-ZARD! *clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*

[~*Occulence*~]

Might as well give my review:

Characters

• Peter Parker: Still geeky, but he was like that for along time in the comics. I for one loved his emo change. This showed that Tobey good be more serious, and showed a charismatic (at least he thought about himself that way), change for him. The fistfight with Harry was very good, including many of Peter's facial reactions. As always, he makes a great spider man, and I hope to see him in another movie.

• Mary Jane-Watson: Beautiful as ever, but her part in the movies are getting old. She was totally one-upped by Gwen Stacy in Likeable-ness. The Broadway bit is getting kind of old, but at least it isn't very random. She had a good display of emotions, but, I am getting tired of her.

• Harry Osborn: James Franco takes this role and runs with it. It was the best performance (followed closely by Topher Grace). From the opening fight, to the dance number, to the tearjerking ending, I was amazed. Yes, the memory loss was kind of left hanging, but his change of heart after talking to the butler was very good.

• Flint Marko: It was obvious that Church had to downplay this role. But, he pulled it off wonderfully. Like his name, Marko was dark and gritty. I really started to feel for the guy because of why he was committing crimes.

• Eddie Brock: Very good new star to the series. He was conniving, but was likeable. Shame he may not be back in the next one.

• Gwen Stacy: Stole the show. She was beautiful and very loveable. I wish that she will be in more movies.

Although there were some relationship scenes that are arguably useless, I liked them, because it offers a realistic look to the Comic Book Movie genre. The action scenes were top notch. The symbiote suit amazed me, and I loved how Spiderman was able to defeat Venom. Sandman's fight scenes were good too, but my favorite is the opening fight between Spiderman and Goblin.

For some, they hated it, but I loved the movie. I was fine with Emo parker, I thought he was quite entertaining.

9.5/10

~*Occulence*~

[Kopaka of Ice]

Hope you don't mind if I support and explain some things..

Originally Posted by Snodin

I saw the movie over the weekend. Now here's my review...

-The Peter/Mary Jane-angst got really boring by the second hour. I see the signifigance of it, but you'd think after "killing" Sandman the first time, Peter would learn his lesson and realize that something's wrong with him. No. He goes and makes an a--hole of himself in front of everybody in a jazz club. And then he has to HIT Mary Jane to finally snap out of his trance. (I gotta admit though, it was cool to hear the whole audience gasp in horror when that happened.)

+Again, many comic book writers dislike the MJ/Peter pairing. How they actually kept together this long in the comics is beyond me. There was pretty horrible match making involved in this.

-And where were his spider senses!? Seriously, every single thing that happened in the movie, he did NOT see coming. Am I wrong?

+Venom doesn't trigger the Spider Sense. Harry was pretty much too fast for the sense to react in time (hence the "blurriness" of their fight). Also, Sandman is tough to answer but I think it has something to do with him already pretty much getting owned as well as the thought of "Um..Why is my spidersense going off to sand?"

-Dr. Conners was in the second movie too. I was hoping we'd see The Lizard by now... but no. Denied.

+Yeah, this was a disappointment for me too. Then again, 3 villains is enough for 1 movie. The only way I could see more than that is to give us a watered down Sinister Six.

-Venom..... Why? Why couldn't they just give us the Eddie/Venom transformation and set it up for the next movie? I mean, seriously. Wasn't the real bad guy here Emo-Spidey all along? Did he HAVE to fight Sandman and Venom at the same time? I don't think so.

+Ehh...Venom really isn't that much of a full-movie character. He did well as he is in this movie, his parts were just kinda off. Look at Morzan's explanation for what I'm getting at. But yeah, what exactly does Venom actually do? Not much but run around trying to get revenge. I do have a disagreement about Sandman + Venom vs. Spiderman + New Goblin, but they did pull it off.

-"Harry temporarily loses his memory." Yeah. Great idea that was *gag*. They didn't really do much with that plotline, did they? They could have made his memory come back in the end and set us up for more Goblin vs. Spidey action for Spiderman 4. ....But no. There goes another key player. There goes another awesome baddie. Who's left? Electro? LAME!

+Rhino, Electro, Kraven, Lizard, Carnage, Black Cat, Shocker (QUILTMAN!!!), Morbius, Scorpion, 2-3 more Goblins, etc. are all still open for movie use.

-By the way, did Harry really have a sword in the books? 'Cause I gotta tell ya... that was pretty sweet!

+Agreed. The "Black Knight" Goblin thing that he had going on was cool.

-Most of my praise goes to Sandman. Watching him struggle to control himself after fusing with the sand was just unbelievably awesome. And him reaching for the lockt only to lose his grip on it... words can't explain. I'm so glad they didn't kill him off. I just didn't get why he fought Spidey in the climax; is he just the kind of guy who can be talked into doing anything? Meh.

+I say the Sand should get an Emmy for this role. If not the sand, Thomas Hayden Church could fill in very well. Like he said, he has bad luck. I mean, think about it. Venom is sitting there urging you to join him, not to mention he knows what you want and is offering you a solution to the problem. Personally, I think I'd be persuaded too.

-Bruce Campbell as the Maitre D' nearly stole the show! I swear, if he was onscreen for just two more minutes, everybody would be leaving the theatre talking about him, and nothing else!

+Agreed again.

-Okay, so maybe I have a few more props than slops. But after all that nit-picking, I gotta say that it was an overall good movie. Not great, but good. If they went and took their time with all the other plot points instead of just the "Peter going bad and messing up his love life" one, or not have any other plot points at all to save us some time, then it would have been excellent.

I gotta give it an 8 out of 10.


LET'S GO, LI-ZARD! *clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*
LET'S GO, LI-ZARD! *clap, clap, clap-clap-clap*

Agreed for the last time in this post.

[Johnny Five]

I know that this goes against every logical explanation in the universe, but my fave Spider-man 3 villain was ......Venom. Yes, I know he was poor, but it's like Jeremy Clarkson and the Ford GT, your head tells you he's naff, but your heart....
As for a Spidey 4 villain, I would prefer Hobgoblin or Mysterio (he's born to be a movie villain). No doubt though Marvel will push for Carnage, especially as Connors still had a bit of the symbiote in his lab.....
Oh, and nice to hear from you again Snodin! The Yugi forums have kinda been dull without you!

[OmegaMan1144]

Church did a WONDERFUL job with Sandman. They couldnt have picked a better person to play that role. I do think they could have done a bit more with him, given his level of talent though.
The sand special effects were nice in the scene right after he got turned to sand. Doing his best to raise up over and over again, grabbing at the locket...I'd have liked to see him get the money needed for his daughter though - give him a reason to not need to fight anymore, instead of simply leaving.

I too liked the goblin's sword. I didnt like the whole "losing memory" thing though. There was alot of bad acting going on there IMO. Also, Goblin and Spidey being all buddy buddy in the first meeting after Spidey blew off half his face...unconvincing. There should have been some angst there still, like "i dont really like you - im doing this for MJ". Then he saves Spidey, taking the hit for him, and has that "you really are a friend" thing at the end.

I dont like Kirsten Dunst. I just dont. I wont elaborate.

Topher Grace did a good job with Eddie Brock. Too bad for me I cant get over his name...Topher. I guess his parents didnt want to name him ChrisTOPHER ? Or maybe they did and he just wanted to sound different and removed the "chris" part because its too common...
As far as the movie role goes though, good job on the Venom performance.

Emo spidey was kinda funny, but they definitely over did the goofy finger pointing to the chicks. The jazz club scene was ok, but...where'd he automatically learn to play the piano? Also, he should have just left MJ behind and stayed with the hot blonde
The normal spidey was basically the same as the other movies. Nerdy photographer turns superhero. Now he's got adoring fans and a newspaper editor who hates his guts. Great.

The fight scenes were good, especially the fast ones. The first one with goblin v spidey was my favorite in the whole movie.
The only thing I had a problem with was believing that Spiderman could have withstood that many poudings from the Sandman's gigantic hammer-fist while he was being held down to the I-beam by Venom. One or two, sure, but he took quite a few hits before being saved.

Good movie overall, I'd give it about an 8/10. My butt hurt from the sitting so long at the end though.

[Morzan]

Guys, now that you've seen the movie-get the novelization. You'll be wanting a director's cut of this movie. I can guarantee it!

I say this was the best of the trilogy, and a very fitting conclusion to Mr. Raimi's storylines. Some of my complaints though-why Gwen this late in the game? If Peter wanted a chick to flaunt in MJ's face, why not seduce Ursula instead? She was already set up and everything.

The scenes with Jameson were the best yet. "Not that one." lol. I gotta get me one of those buzzers. Finally, we get to symbiote Spidey. Remember those pics he was selling Jameson of him in action? I would have rather scene a montage of that, over the strut. Still, it was a nice bit of comedy to balance out the darker elements of the movie.

[Snodin]

Originally Posted by Johnny Five

Oh, and nice to hear from you again Snodin! The Yugi forums have kinda been dull without you!

Thanks, Johnny Five. I missed the forum.


I still have to argue that Venom had arch-villain potential. ...Okay, I like the guy alright? The whole anti-hero thing gets me going; one book that archives the series explains him as "mixed up; he sees himself as the hero and Spider-Man as the villain." You don't get much deeper than that. ......And the whole thing with the tongue and the semi-morphing..... Yeah, I'm gushing now.

And I like Eddie Brock too; he worked here even without the symbiote. (He's definitely cuter than Peter, hehe- or maybe it's just the actor.) He had, in my opinion, some of the most memorable lines in the film:

"Oh, I'm Eddie Brock, sir, of the Daily Bugle... and I'm dating your daughter."

"Hey, Spidey! Love the new outfit."

"Dear Lord, I come to you... humbled... and humiliated... all I ask of You is just one thing... I need You to kill Peter Parker."

Most memorable of all: "I like being bad. It makes me happy."