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Old 06-04-2013, 10:46 PM   #1
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MONSTERS: [14]
[03x] Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Bear
[01x] Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Buffalo
[03x] Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Dragon
[03x] Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Gorilla
[02x] Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Leopard
[02x] Effect Veiler

SPELLS: [13]
[01x] Dark Hole
[02x] Fire Formation - Gyokkou
[03x] Fire Formation - Tenki
[03x] Fire Formation - Tensu
[01x] Heavy Storm
[01x] Monster Reborn
[02x] Pot of Duality

TRAPS: [13]
[02x] Bottomless Trap Hole
[02x] Compulsory Evacuation Device
[02x] Fiendish Chain
[03x] Fire Formation - Tensen
[01x] Solemn Judgment
[01x] Solemn Warning
[02x] Torrential Tribute

EXTRA DECK: [15]
[01x] Abyss Dweller
[03x] Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Cardinal
[03x] Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Tiger King
[01x] Diamond Dire Wolf
[01x] Gagaga Cowboy
[01x] Gem-Knight Pearl
[01x] Maestroke the Symphony Djinn
[01x] Number 16: Shock Master
[01x] Number 39: Utopia
[01x] Number 50: Blackship of Corn
[01x] Photon Papilloperative
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:53 PM   #2
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I got bashed for having 3 Cardinal >.> Good deck man. Boar? Also possibly Maxx "C"? Ouroboros? Blaster for pops? If you use Blaster, you can also use Crimson Blader cuz of Effect Veiler. Daigusto Emeral?
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:56 PM   #3
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4-Axis is a lot more fun than 3-Axis, imo. It's a lot less auto-pilot.

And sorry, no, I don't have anything productive to say about your build.
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I got bashed for having 3 Cardinal >.> Good deck man. Boar? Also possibly Maxx "C"? Ouroboros? Blaster for pops? If you use Blaster, you can also use Crimson Blader cuz of Effect Veiler. Daigusto Emeral?
This is a TCG build but where I'm standing. Commander is good, good card is good; good deck is good.
Onslaught of the Fire Kings would be a great addition.
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Eh, well then the only suggestion that I made that wasn't viable was Boar. But even still, that and Wolfberk will be awesome.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:04 PM   #6
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Raven>Leopard for this deck imo

Peppering my angus for boar and Wolfberk... my 4-axis is going to be sweet when they come out.
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Definitely not. That is a level 3.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:15 PM   #8
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I got bashed for having 3 Cardinal >.> Good deck man. Boar? Also possibly Maxx "C"? Ouroboros? Blaster for pops? If you use Blaster, you can also use Crimson Blader cuz of Effect Veiler. Daigusto Emeral?
Boar will be added into the deck once Judgment of the Light is released.

Maxx "C" is currently in the side deck. I couldn't find room to fit both Maxx "C" and Effect Veiler in the main deck. So, Veiler is in the main deck for now. I tried Blaster in the deck and I didn't like it. Plus there wasn't any room for it without hurting some of the Fire Formations or the Fire Fists themselves. Dragon basically becomes to the main card of the deck because it can get you to the main XYZ in the extra deck and that is Cardinal. It's just too good. It gets around Dragosack and Big Eye very easily. Plus you can bounce one Cardinal that used up to bring it out again.

I'm thinking about finding room for both Evilswarm Ouroboros and Daigusto Emeral into this deck some place.

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4-Axis is a lot more fun than 3-Axis, imo. It's a lot less auto-pilot.

And sorry, no, I don't have anything productive to say about your build.
I like more as well. Even though I do run them both. Fire Fist is one of my favorite archetypes (just like Burning Knucklers).

I like it better because even though this is a control deck. It can aggro as well.

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This is a TCG build but where I'm standing. Commander is good, good card is good; good deck is good.
Onslaught of the Fire Kings would be a great addition.
I thought about teching in an Onslaught of the Fire Kings, but with the lack of room it get's pretty tough.


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Definitely not. That is a level 3.
Leopard is a level 3 as well. Leopard can tutor out Tenki to get the deck rolling.

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Raven>Leopard for this deck imo

Peppering my angus for boar and Wolfberk... my 4-axis is going to be sweet when they come out.
Leopard tutors out the Fire Formation that you need.
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I keep confusing something else with Leopard >.>
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I keep confusing something else with Leopard >.>
Oh I wish they can make a Level 4 version of Leopard. So Rank 3 can keep the Leopard and this deck has another level 4 to bring back with Dragon.
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Cardinal is like our Tiaramisu. So good. I personally like 3-Axis better but 4-Axis is solid too. Right now I'm playing a mixture of both.

Can't wait till 4-Axis get Wolfberk and 3-Axis get Chicken. Fire Fist will become amazing then, pretty sure Chicken will get limited or at least semi-limited considering how much advantage it gives.
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Cardinal is like our Tiaramisu. So good. I personally like 3-Axis better but 4-Axis is solid too. Right now I'm playing a mixture of both.

Can't wait till 4-Axis get Wolfberk and 3-Axis get Chicken. Fire Fist will become amazing then, pretty sure Chicken will get limited or at least semi-limited considering how much advantage it gives.
I tried a mixture of both and it didn't work as great. I might take out the 2 Leopard for 2 Forbidden Lance/ Fire Formation - Tenken.
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I tried a mixture of both and it didn't work as great. I might take out the 2 Leopard for 2 Forbidden Lance/ Fire Formation - Tenken.
Yeah I get some horrid hands but it's all for fun. If I was playing serious mode I would never mix the two.
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Yeah I get some horrid hands but it's all for fun. If I was playing serious mode I would never mix the two.
My 3-Axis build is up as well if you want to look at it.
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Mage, I don't know how you do it.. Your FF decks never cease to amaze.
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Mage, I don't know how you do it.. Your FF decks never cease to amaze.
Thanks. I guess I got the twins covered.
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Triple Cardinals = dam dat scary. My 4 axis build only runs one cause I rarely even go into it as Tiger and Bear already takes down dem Dracosacks and stuff. (Maybe I should add two more to go on a cardinal rampage if neccessary lol!)
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How does this function in testing? If one were to make a TCG build now, taking in fun-ness and competitive-ness, which would you recommend?
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The build that is posted is a TCG only build. He hasn't updated it with Boar or Wolfberk.
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The build that is posted is a TCG only build. He hasn't updated it with Boar or Wolfberk.
Oh right yeah, I just didn't make it clear. I basically meant which is better, 3-Axis or 4-Axis for the TCG.
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Triple Cardinals = dam dat scary. My 4 axis build only runs one cause I rarely even go into it as Tiger and Bear already takes down dem Dracosacks and stuff. (Maybe I should add two more to go on a cardinal rampage if neccessary lol!)
This Build goes into Cardinal more than it does Tiger King. Which is my I may drop one Tiger King for one Evilswarm Ouroboros.

At least 2 Cardinal should be necessary for the 4-Axis deck. It's just too darn good and scary. Plus you can even bounce a used Cardinal back and use it again later.

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If you played the Dragon Turbo build or a version similar to that, it functions just like that. Bear isn't the most important monster in this deck. The most important monster in the deck is Dragon itself. The combos go through Dragon because you can spam your fallen Fire Fist monsters back from the grave and reuse them.

Both builds are incredible. But I prefer this one over the 3-Axis build. The 3-Axis build is fun, but it's seems more auto-pilot and you make the same plays over and over. This one has so many different plays and different ways to bring out the XYZs.

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Oh right yeah, I just didn't make it clear. I basically meant which is better, 3-Axis or 4-Axis for the TCG.
They both are good for the TCG and it just depends on your playstyle. If you like to spam the field with Cardinal and control the game, then 4-Axis is your best bet. If you like to spam the field with level 6 Beast-Warrior synchros, then 3-Axis is your choice. I just hope Konami does the right thing and we get Beastlord Vulcan soon. I don't care about Sirius the Blue Dog Star that much, but I really want Vulcan.
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Room to tight to add something like Blaster?
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Room to tight to add something like Blaster?
Yep, unfortunately there is barely any room.
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Pretty disappointed the card is called 'Leopard' and not 'Panther'. I thought it was first going to be named Panther though~
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Pretty disappointed the card is called 'Leopard' and not 'Panther'. I thought it was first going to be named Panther though~
I know what you mean. I wish it was named Panther. Unless maybe we are going to get a Fire Fist - Panther in the future.
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