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Old 06-02-2013, 11:18 PM   #1
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genuine curiousity because I have only played against the deck 3 times, all of which were against terrible DN players who I beat using tier 3 decks.

1) Is the deck hit worthy assuming prophecy and e-drags get the massive neutering they deserve?

2) what is the card in the deck to hit and how severely should it be hit?
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Old 06-02-2013, 11:22 PM   #2
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It's a candidate to be hit, but I highly doubt the deck will be hit thanks to Dragon Rulers and Prophecy. I would expect hits to those two decks a minor bit to mermail because of their dominance at the beginning of the format.

The main culprit in the deck is Chicken. 3-Axis is being played lightly right now in TCG, but it can't do anything without the support from Chicken.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:48 AM   #3
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Basically, KFC is the main problem in the deck. Hit that and the deck becomes fair. But since it didn't dominate this meta in the OCG, it'll probably not get hit come banlist.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:56 AM   #4
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A reasonable alternative to outright banning Chicken is limiting Spirit and keeping Chicken at 3. That hit lets the deck perform its usual shenanigans, but prevents it from searching another Spirit to do it all over again in the subsequent turn.

3-Axis is pretty worthless without Chicken.
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I don't think the deck could function very well with Tenki at 1.

Leopard would become crap and would probably be dropped; Chicken's second effect would become near useless; most of the deck's Horse Prince plays would become harder to pull off; and of course there's a serious drop in consistency.

Has anyone tried the deck with just 1 Tenki?
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Old 06-03-2013, 05:02 AM   #6
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genuine curiousity because I have only played against the deck 3 times, all of which were against terrible DN players who I beat using tier 3 decks.

1) Is the deck hit worthy assuming prophecy and e-drags get the massive neutering they deserve?

2) what is the card in the deck to hit and how severely should it be hit?
3-Axis Fire Fist is a very good deck, but like a lot of decks, is out classed by Dragon Ruler and Prophecy. based on what Konami does, both will not get hit too hard but enough to slow them down a little bit. We will see more Fire Fist play when Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Chicken and Enthusiastic Beast Wolfberk are released in Shonen Jump Alpha
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Old 06-03-2013, 11:27 AM   #7
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The only hit needed if any is spirit to 1.
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:20 PM   #8
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rekindling isnt the problem at all
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:12 PM   #9
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Fire Fists will definitely need a hit when the 4 decks above it (Drags, Books, Swarms, Merms) get hit. Obviously, right now it looks garbage by comparison. But once those decks become fair and not entirely dominant, Fists will need to lose something.

Really, the biggest hit needs to be Chicken. Anybody saying Spirit or Rekindling is ignoring the fact that, duh, we have both right now, and that build clearly ain't doin' shi*z.

As far as Tenki, it's one of those things where it not only doesn't need to be hit, but putting it to 2 is pretty negligible and putting it to 1 really, really hits an already balanced archetype.
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Evilswarm is definitely not better than fire fist. But drags, spellbooks and mermails are better than fire fist, i concede that.

I don't even consider evilswarm tier 1. They're more like tier 2 imo.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:48 AM   #11
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Tenki to 1 and call it a day
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Tenki to 1 and call it a day
Bujins exist, so I doubt Konami will touch Tenki.
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Bujins exist, so I doubt Konami will touch Tenki.
even more reason to hit it
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GG FireKings, though yeah, Tenki will be hit at some point.
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Really, the biggest hit needs to be Chicken. Anybody saying Spirit or Rekindling is ignoring the fact that, duh, we have both right now, and that build clearly ain't doin' shi*z.
But that's not necessarily true, sometimes you simply need all the combo pieces to do well and any one missing piece will cause it to fall apart. Would 3 Axis FF function with Chicken and Rekindling but no Spirit? And if they didn't, would that make Spirit the problem card?
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even more reason to hit it
How? In a viewpoint of Konami, they'll want to sell Bujins.
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sometimes you simply need all the combo pieces to do well and any one missing piece will cause it to fall apart.
Indeed, 3-Axis with 3 Spirit and 0 Chicken doesn't actually function. It summons Horse Prince and proceeds to do a grand total of...nothing.
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Tenki to one kills fire fist too much I feel. Fire fist really need tenki, no point to even play the deck without 3.

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But that's not necessarily true, sometimes you simply need all the combo pieces to do well and any one missing piece will cause it to fall apart. Would 3 Axis FF function with Chicken and Rekindling but no Spirit? And if they didn't, would that make Spirit the problem card?
The deck would not work at all. The deck needs atleast 2 Spirit to even be a deck. What are you gonna do with Rekindling when Chicken is only 100 def? Chicken makes 3 axis good, Spirit makes the deck playable, along with tenki. So if spirit goes so does 3 axis.
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I thought it was more than obvious that Rekindling should be hit.
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So random question,
how many horse prince 3 axis decks run?
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Tenki deserves a hit because it searches all level 4 and lower beast warriors not just fire fists. Rekindling is faulty card design and should also be hit. If a fire fist problem persists start taking out the specific fire fist problems.
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Indeed, 3-Axis with 3 Spirit and 0 Chicken doesn't actually function. It summons Horse Prince and proceeds to do a grand total of...nothing.
Argh when did a one card into a 2200 beater which summons a monster from the deck which can search a ROTA/Spell/Trap for the deck = Not good, not just Ok, not bad, but nothing. I am not saying your wrong but when did that happen? (And that's forgetting the silly amount of toolboxing you have there for certain cards that might just be situational to what you need). When did it only become good if its one card into a card that searches a monster in the deck and can turn a used up Rota into a Rota that goes into 2200 + beater which summons a monster from the deck which can search a ROTA/Spell/Trap for the deck?

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Yeah but fire fist will suck as a deck with no tenki. Tenki makes the deck if not, the deck is dead and un-playable the most they could do is tenki to 2 and I feel that is a little harsh. Spirit to 2 Rekindling to 1 and 3 axis won't be a problem but come on guys do you find 3 axis a problem in the first place?
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Tenki deserves a hit because it searches all level 4 and lower beast warriors not just fire fists. Rekindling is faulty card design and should also be hit. If a fire fist problem persists start taking out the specific fire fist problems.
God I hate people who spout nonsense like this.
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Spirit makes the deck even playable chicken is just really really good support for spirit.
I'm telling you Spirit makes the deck.

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Right? I mean tenki even has a you can only use it once per turn clause ROTA you could use three if you drew three same with e call.
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