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Old 05-09-2013, 09:56 PM   #1
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Limited:
Spellbook of Judgment
Atlantean Dragoons
Abyss-sphere
Super Rejuvenation
Reactan, Dragon Ruler of Pebbles
Stream, Dragon Ruler of Droplets
Burner, Dragon Ruler of Sparks
Lightning, Dragon Ruler of Drafts

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Chaos Sorcerer
Renkindling
Book of Moon
T.G. Striker
Plaguespreader Zombie

Unlimited:
Thunder King Rai-Oh
The Agent of Mystery - Earth
Tsukuyomi
The Transmigration Prophecy

Thoughts? I tried to make it more realistic-based than idealistic.

To Harley Thomas, I know this list is bad. There, I said it before you could
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Harley is an internet tryhard, who cares what it thinks.

Seems... Realistic. Besides the banning of judgment.
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Harley is an internet tryhard, who cares what it thinks.
I don't care what he thinks per se, I just saved him the time of posting it.

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Seems... Realistic. Besides the banning of judgment.
Come to think of it, you have a very good point. Because Konami doesn't really "murder" decks after one list. I think Spellbook of Judgment to 1 is more realistic. It's just that recently all I've been seeing it do is plus 3 or more. I'll have to think that over more.
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I agree, limiting to one sounds realistic, and probably for the best. But in terms of spamming and advantage I still think sams can faster. Since Spellbooks are a deck that relies on spells and grave control, idk if they should limit anything, there are so many answers to those things when it comes to siding. Sounds like another Darkworld situation to me.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:47 AM   #5
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This list is amazing.I love it.
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And I thought there was no such thing as a perfect list. You may be the F/L board's last hope. 10/10.
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Hell yeahh fire fist still tier 1 .good list is good
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The lack of Duality to three is bad.

Otherwise, it's one of the rare decent lists you'd find here.
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Hell yeahh fire fist still tier 1 .good list is good
Obviously I won't address Fire Fist before it comes to the TCG.

TCG fire fists are fine. Spirit and Chicken are the only hit-worthy cards.
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So what, Rekindling was something of a pre-emptive hit?

Because they don't need Rekindling.
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So what, Rekindling was something of a pre-emptive hit?

Because they don't need Rekindling.
Rekindling is already a broken card, even if it's not relevant. I see no reason for a card that's a +4 to be at 3.

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Also for the duality to 3, I don't see Konami doing that.

Because Konami.
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Yeah he made a good list when the good list was very easy to make.
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I don't see them doing anything your list states. Should likely forgo the attempts at realism.

But not in a way that makes the list suck.
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I like it, though perhaps I would add in Duality to three.

Brofists went untouched though.
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I like it, though perhaps I would add in Duality to three.

Brofists went untouched though.
That's because Brofists are fine. The only remotely hitworthy card now is Tenki to 2, and that is very borderline, swinging in favor of not hitting it.

Spirit and Chicken are only hit-worthy once that build actually materializes in the TCG.
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Is the Super Rejuvenation hit really necessary/realistic?
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That's because Brofists are fine. The only remotely hitworthy card now is Tenki to 2, and that is very borderline, swinging in favor of not hitting it.

Spirit and Chicken are only hit-worthy once that build actually materializes in the TCG.
From what I've seen in replays of fire fists, the TCG version is pretty crazy. The deck as a whole has nothing that stands out, but it just works with itself too well, too much synergy. Tenki-bear-pop-tenki chains and double summoning they just gain advantage ridiculously quick.

And ban sack luster soldier, you don't need to make money selling a legacy pack off him.
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From what I've seen in replays of fire fists, the TCG version is pretty crazy. The deck as a whole has nothing that stands out, but it just works with itself too well, too much synergy. Tenki-bear-pop-tenki chains and double summoning they just gain advantage ridiculously quick.
What exactly is list-worthy about a good, consistent control deck?
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What exactly is list-worthy about a good, consistent control deck?
It's too good, that's what I've witnessed many times over. The tenki-bear-gorilla chains that allow the player to destroy cards and plus and be ready to do it again next turn are extremely consistent and powerful for how simple they are. They also get very easy topdecks to turn the game around like wolfberk to xyz and regain advantage with fire formations. Then tensu allows swarming that conventional ss hate doesnt stop, as well as advantage gaining very quickly. I'm not butthurt, I've played only a handful of times against them and I admire that they don't make stupid plays like the rest of the meta. I've just noticed that what they do is too good.
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It's too good, that's what I've witnessed many times over. The tenki-bear-gorilla chains that allow the player to destroy cards and plus and be ready to do it again next turn are extremely consistent and powerful for how simple they are. They also get very easy topdecks to turn the game around like wolfberk to xyz and regain advantage with fire formations. Then tensu allows swarming that conventional ss hate doesnt stop, as well as advantage gaining very quickly. I'm not butthurt, I've played only a handful of times against them and I admire that they don't make stupid plays like the rest of the meta. I've just noticed that what they do is too good.
I... Thought we were talking about tcg fire fists?
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I... Thought we were talking about tcg fire fists?
Ah forgot about wolfberk. But mainly, the continuous advantage they maintain can be quite much.
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Ah forgot about wolfberk. But mainly, the continuous advantage they maintain can be quite much.
It's not like its difficult to stop fire fist pushes... Its a pretty easy deck to overcome imo. Play against it a handful more times, i promise you'll change your mind.
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It's not like its difficult to stop fire fist pushes... Its a pretty easy deck to overcome imo. Play against it a handful more times, i promise you'll change your mind.
Ok my playstyle and decks aren't meta relevant besides my occasional atlanteans, so I don't play the sort of stuff every competitive deck would. For instance, I don't play 3 mst in any of my decks, something that I'm sure other decks would have to deal with tenki's. Also, I'm finding less room for cards like bottomless and Solemn Warning in favor of cards that go with the combos for my decks or other staples like lance.

I'll admit though that putting a tenki-bear engine into beast stun is awesome.
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Ok my playstyle and decks aren't meta relevant besides my occasional atlanteans, so I don't play the sort of stuff every competitive deck would. For instance, I don't play 3 mst in any of my decks, something that I'm sure other decks would have to deal with tenki's. Also, I'm finding less room for cards like bottomless and Solemn Warning in favor of cards that go with the combos for my decks or other staples like lance.

I'll admit though that putting a tenki-bear engine into beast stun is awesome.
Well no offense, but if you dont play meta you cant accurately measure the power of meta decks. Plain and simple
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Well no offense, but if you dont play meta you cant accurately measure the power of meta decks. Plain and simple
What deals with fire fists so easily then?
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