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Old 05-09-2013, 09:21 PM   #1
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Turns out Master Key Beetle won't protect that card from self-destructing, but it still stops the MSTs and such.
So Key Beetle doesn't protect Deck Lockdown, what happens with Vanities Emptiness? Does it's self-destruction effect count as a condition in which case Beetle can't protect it or is it a different situation altogether?
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:27 PM   #2
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Vanities Emptiness's Destruction is an Effect that Starts a chain as seen in its rulings.

"Self-Destruction" effects are different between the CG's. OCG says that Abyss-sphere's destruction cannot be negated by Decree, TCG says otherwise. Wait for the card to be released in the TCG and played at a YCS to know the TCG Ruling.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:32 PM   #3
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in europe it's mostly ruled that Abyss-sphere destroys itself (like it should be)

For the same reason Deck Lockdown cannot be protected by Key Beetle.

You first sentence is absolutely right. Master Key Beetle protects Vanity's Emptiness.
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in europe it's mostly ruled that Abyss-sphere destroys itself (like it should be).
That's the thing. Mostly != Always. Whether these are effects or "conditions" are not set in stone at least not in the TCG.
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If you're going to quote me, pay attention to what I said afterward instead of losing your head and making assumptions. "Vanity's Emptiness" is nothing like "Deck Lockdown".

Seriously, Emptiness even has a ruling. It wouldn't kill people to read those once in a while.
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I did pay attention, what you said afterwards about the Swords of Light just got me thinking since we were discussing this earlier on our thread.
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That's the thing. Mostly != Always. Whether these are effects or "conditions" are not set in stone at least not in the TCG.
I know it was ruled like that in the last european YCS's. I just said mostly because I can't prove deviations.

You can actually read by Abyss-sphere text that it's a condition.
The card says "after this cards activation" not "after the activation of this cards effect".
Activation of the card is not a card effect and thus not negated by decree etc.

I hope they will get this right soon.
but well thats not the topic here
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