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Old 03-20-2013, 08:56 AM   #1
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So this list isn't based on the TCG, it's pretty much to balance the game especially after tach hits the TCG, so here we go:

Newly Banned

Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning. this card is one of the best top decks in the game, although the tier one decks don't run this card, I feel the need that this card should go.

Gateway of the Six. a win button.

Card Destruction. see above.

Ultimate Offering. again, a win button. this and a gadget equals spam. also I heard that some new archetype abuses this as well.

Sellbook judgment day. here is the deal, people would MST their own backrow, use Dark Hole, and simply any move to keep this card going, I see how it's hard to ban this in Sept, but this is more of wish list. creates unhealthy plays and +'s crazy. that simple.


Newly Limited

Atlantean Dragoons. this card searches the entire deck.

Sinister Serpent. this card should be tested at 1. IMO it will do little to nothing.

Verz Ophion. this deck needs to be hit, and I'm not sure exactly how. this hit seems okay.

All minis. the deck is broken it's not funny. first turn Ladd...

Rescue Rabbit. I don't really hate this guy a lot, but he is getting into more OP decks, needs to be hit.

Seven Star Sword. drawing and toolboxing....too much.


Newly Semi'd

Chaos Sorcerer. with BLS banned, this one is okay at 2.

Fire Formation - Tenki. ROTA, at least let's put it to 2.

Abyss-sphere. balances the deck a bit.


gale. more BW support and this card is okay.

Newly Unlimited

Tsukuyomi. did anyone run this?

Thunder King Rai-Oh. doesn't deserve the hit.

So that's all for now, I feel there should be more cards on the list but can't seem to remember them all so, might be updated!

cards that didn't make the list:

wind up factory to 2 perhaps

warning to 2. im a bit iffy on this.

Pot of Avarice to 0. some decks can use it by their second turn. considering this.

snoww to 2. i feel like it's an overhit yet the card has a bad design.

I can't say much about the OCG fire fists (chicken, spirit, etc) as I haven't tested them out yet, but as i had seen, they're kinda busted.

discuss your opinions

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I can't say much about the OCG fire fists (chicken, spirit, etc) as I haven't tested them out yet, but as i had seen, they're kinda busted.
Have you tried/seen the version with Rekindling?
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No love for Sinister Serpent?
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Have you tried/seen the version with Rekindling?
The only version that I tried is the Rabbit variant, haven't tried other versions.

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I knew I was forgetting some stuff. Updated the list.

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The only version that I tried is the Rabbit variant, haven't tried other versions.
Its easy to go from the rabbit version to the wolfberk version, since it has a similar playstyle.

The versions with level 3 Fire Fist monsters play a lot differently.
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Its easy to go from the rabbit version to the wolfberk version, since it has a similar playstyle.

The versions with level 3 Fire Fist monsters play a lot differently.
Right, and wolfberk can make the deck a lot better since you won't get dead hands from the vanillas. for the level 3 variant, I believe it has stronger combos other than bear/gorilla with synchros. still need to playtest it.
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If we are htting OCG then Tenki to 1. Then I'll love this list. Hits all the reasons why I hate yu-gi-oh! Atm. Which is, stupid limited win buttons for tier 2 decks and stupidly over powered tier 1 decks.

Also why not Gale and Chaos to 3? Could also bump some other cards to 3 like T-prophecy, Magical Stone and grand mole.

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Seriously needs the Return of Glow-Up Bulb.
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If we are htting OCG then Tenki to 1. Then I'll love this list. Hits all the reasons why I hate yu-gi-oh! Atm. Which is, stupid limited win buttons for tier 2 decks and stupidly over powered tier 1 decks.
I think tenki to 2 for now is okay, I can see myself wanting it to go to 1 tbh.
The gap between tier 1 and 2 is going larger with every set released. If the TBC made a fair banlist, I'll play it. otherwise I'd just quit, the game is becoming more unplayable...

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Seriously needs the Return of Glow-Up Bulb.
GUB isn't that balanced, but then again, what is balanced this format.

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Firefist format.
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I think tenki to 1 for now is okay, I can see myself wanting it to go to 1 tbh.
The gap between tier 1 and 2 is going larger with every set released. If the TBC made a fair banlist, I'll play it. otherwise I'd just quit, the game is becoming more unplayable...

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GUB isn't that balanced, but then again, what is balanced this format.
GUB might not be balanced, but it doesn't matter anyway. As there are lots of broken stuff.

He can come back and won't do a thing in the current meta.
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Firefist format.
Didn't test the stronger fire fist variant, consider that this list is still not complete. so basically this list + upcoming fire fist hit.

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GUB might not be balanced, but it doesn't matter anyway. As there are lots of broken stuff.

He can come back and won't do a thing in the current meta.
That's against my principle, I want to get rid of unbalanced stuff. and when you say that there are a lot of broken stuff, think of how this list may balance the game, so why take a step back with unbanning GUB?

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Also why not Gale and Chaos to 3? Could also bump some other cards to 3 like T-prophecy, Magical Stone and grand mole.
BW already received kalut, 2 gales are enough. 2 CS are enough as they're rank six.
mole can move up but I'm not sure about the other two, stone is used in weird otk builds and prophecy...well it can move up too I guess.

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Fire fists would dominate...Tenki to 1, please.
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Fire fists would dominate...Tenki to 1, please.
As I mentioned, I didn't hit the OCG fire fists YET. Tenki to 2 is okay now.
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TG Striker to 2
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Striker's hit was probably an OCG thing so I can't say much about it.
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Diggin it. TKRO move is unlikely just on principle, but in a good format it would be at 3. Spirit limit would butcher 3-Axis fire fist.
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it's not prediction or anything, just something I REALLY hope it would happen, TKRO hit still confuses me, and the fists FOR NOW in the TCG are all right with 2 tenki.
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it's not prediction or anything, just something I REALLY hope it would happen, TKRO hit still confuses me, and the fists FOR NOW in the TCG are all right with 2 tenki.
Thing is, Tenki's being used in a lot of decks now. It definitely could get the ROTA treatment. Hell, Tenki even comes with free monster removal.
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I think with the new FF support it should go to 1.
What do you think of the ''didnt make it'' list?

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BLS is not relevant anymore, leave it at one.
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This list is to balance the game, thus you see Card Destruction although it has no DIRECT impact on the meta. Hitting all problematic cards so all decks can be somehow on the same level. Plus why not ban BLS and semi CS? This way is much better since they serve the same purpose but CS is more balanced, so why keep BLS?
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Fire fists need more rage in their face.
Ophion don't deserves hit

80% ok
and leaves that BLS to 1 damn it!

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for obious resone i dislike your list
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I don't deal with bias ^^

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Ophion don't deserves hit

80% ok
and leaves that BLS to 1 damn it!
The OCG cards like spirit are the problem, ideally, the deck for now would be all right with two tenki, as I said 2378426 times before.
Ophion needs a limit for his synchro and other strategies lock, including the recent EEV.
With the list as it is, BLS needs to go, sack, in this game, needs to go.

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