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Old 03-10-2013, 09:04 PM   #1
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Default Forbidden Lance Vs Forbidden Dress

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The thing is..the common lance seems to have become the most expensive common in the history of the game.

Dress however is a $5 card and in certain situations, the outcome can be the same. Bottomless and Darkhole has to destory first right? Dress Blocks thats. Offesive..lowering by 600 should be enough to run them over. What do you think? Should the poor people get a Dress or 2 now before it goes up? It's a super rare after all.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:08 PM   #2
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lance may be a common, but its pull rate is so not same as pulling a common in a set. and i really dont think lance can be replaced by dress in this format because of fire fist.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:09 PM   #3
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Forbidden Lance is becoming staple and some even consider it the next Book of Moon already. Forbidden Dress on the other hand is a poor man's Lance. Dress is a very subpar replacement, but I guess if you can't afford Lance. But I will say I do see Dress going up to about $10 max or something in the future.
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i've never dueled a fire fist deck..so I don't know what they can do....
It still stops that pesky bottomless..which is a card I LOATHE!!!
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The whole "cannot be targeted" thing on Forbidden Dress is useless.
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:42 PM   #6
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The whole "cannot be targeted" thing on Forbidden Dress is useless.
nope
opponent summons chaos sorc against your 3000 beatstick, dress saves you, lance doesnt
opponent summons chidori against your 2550 monster, dress saves you, lance doesnt
its situational, not useless

and anyone saying dress is a poor mans lance needs some air holes drilled in their head, you trade stopping compulsory/prison/etc. for stopping fire fists/merlanteans/fire kings/blaster/priestess/etc.
the two cards are on par and depends on what your matchups are like, what your meta is like, and what you are more vulnerable to

since the attack drop is lower too, less chance whatever you protect with it will just be run over, but also is slightly worse for lowering enemys attack
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:20 PM   #7
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Lance is more splashable imo.
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:34 PM   #8
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Well in any case..I'm going to get a few of them since it's cheap. it protects me from the cards I hate the most.
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Forbidden Dress also prevents monster from being targeted by Effect Veiler.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:47 AM   #10
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Forbidden Dress also prevents monster from being targeted by Effect Veiler.
it isnt great protection from veiler, since they can chain veiler to it, and chaining it to veiler doesnt work

you can standby phase it if you have an effect you desperately need to get off as a matter of life and death though
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If the monster is already targeted with something and dress is chained then does dress protect it? I was using dress against the spell that discards one to target a monster then banish it (forget the name), on YGOpro and my card was still banished.
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If the monster is already targeted with something and dress is chained then does dress protect it? I was using dress against the spell that discards one to target a monster then banish it (forget the name), on YGOpro and my card was still banished.
no, targetting occurs during activation, not resolution, so by the time robe resolves and grants protectiong, the targeting had already occurred

this is the same no matter what order the chain is in
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Thank you kind sir in the future I will use pandemic infestation to save my ophion!
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Hmm. I just realized that Forbidden Dress includes "Cannot be targeted" by card effects. The reason I don't use Forbidden Dress is I thought the effect is only "Cannot be destroyed" by card effects. Now that I realized..

Dimensional Prison, Compulsory Evacuation Device, Effect Veiler, Penguin Soldier, Chaos Sorcerer, BLS TARGETS, therefore this card is good.

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Meh, it doesn't work as I expected.

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Old 03-11-2013, 02:36 PM   #15
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Forbidden Dress is really good in Evilswarm, but that's the only deck where I feel it can get the job done
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:07 PM   #16
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I think Common Smashing Ground was pretty high way back then. This was when it was a literal staple of course and had a regular common pull rate, unlike Lance.
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I used Dress in my Summoner of Illusions deck. I can summon Exterio/Last Warrior and keep it this way. I haven't updated it for this format though, since without Sangan, Summoner is really hard to search.
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Thank you kind sir in the future I will use pandemic infestation to save my ophion!
Use Dress in addition to Pandemic. Pandemic won't protect your Ophion from destruction via monster eff (ex. Ryko). The ATK reduction can save you in battle if your opponent tries to take out your Ophion with a Gem Knight Pearl, Gagaga Cowboy, etc. too.
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it isnt great protection from veiler, since they can chain veiler to it, and chaining it to veiler doesnt work

you can standby phase it if you have an effect you desperately need to get off as a matter of life and death though
Turn player has priority, if he senses a veiler/Fiendish Chain/complusory/whatever he can immedately chain dress

And a monster that can't be destroyed by battle is invincible for an opponent's turn if you chain dress and there's no skill drain
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Turn player has priority, if he senses a veiler/Fiendish Chain/complusory/whatever he can immedately chain dress

And a monster that can't be destroyed by battle is invincible for an opponent's turn if you chain dress and there's no skill drain
chaining dress to a card that targets but does not destroy is a waste of your dress. It's already been explained that targeting happens at activation, not resolution.

Whether Dress is chained to Veiler/CED/Fiendish/etc, or Veiler/CED/Fiendish/etc is chained to Dress, Dress won't be able to protect the monster because the monster will have been targeted before the chain's resolution in which Dress' effect to block targeting kicks in
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chaining dress to a card that targets but does not destroy is a waste of your dress. It's already been explained that targeting happens at activation, not resolution.

Whether Dress is chained to Veiler/CED/Fiendish/etc, or Veiler/CED/Fiendish/etc is chained to Dress, Dress won't be able to protect the monster because the monster will have been targeted before the chain's resolution in which Dress' effect to block targeting kicks in
So it may not be unaffected by what was previously targeting a monster, but there's a lot of effects that you can predict will target a monster you control, especially when it comes to other monster's effects

As far as i'm concerned Forbidden Lance is more useful during your turn but Forbidden Dress is more useful during your opponent's turn.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:06 PM   #22
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I wish Konami would quit printing cards like Dress .-. Every time someones all "Hurr durr it's so good" and then someone else has to come in and explain to them how the card actually works.

Dress is really just a poor man's Lance outside of decks like Verz who have a real reason to run it over Lance.
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I wish Konami would quit printing cards like Dress .-. Every time someones all "Hurr durr it's so good" and then someone else has to come in and explain to them how the card actually works.

Dress is really just a poor man's Lance outside of decks like Verz who have a real reason to run it over Lance.
Sounds like you're underestimating the card
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Sounds like you're underestimating the card
It's a fine card but Lance does pretty much the same thing and more.
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doesnt cover monster effects
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