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Old 02-24-2013, 09:17 PM   #1
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Question Why does Konami hate searchers?

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I just want to know why Konami hates searchers. More often than not, banlists would show a searcher being hit (e.g. in September 2012, we had E - Emergency Call and Hieratic Seal of Convocation semi-limited from unlimited). I'm not butthurt, just curious.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:22 PM   #2
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Best way to tone down a deck is to harm its consistency.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:25 PM   #3
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E-heroes have Stratos and Reinforcement of the Army on top of e-call
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:25 PM   #4
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Consistency hit over power
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to many deck can spam the field w/ minimum effort so searcher can and is a problem especial now were boss monsters are now added as easy as a lvl 4 or lower.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:29 PM   #6
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Lol Konami hating searchers

They made a deck that tutors tutors that tutor more tutors and it plusses while doing so

They gave another tutor-heavy deck a card on par with W Nebula Meteorite in terms of bustedness

The deck that has Delinquent Duo on a stick can tutor anything in the deck by summoning a level 3 which can be tutored, plus they have a trap that pulls a 2400 right out of the deck at no cost
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Lol Konami hating searchers

They made a deck that tutors tutors that tutor more tutors and it plusses while doing so

They gave another tutor-heavy deck a card on par with W Nebula Meteorite in terms of bustedness

The deck that has Delinquent Duo on a stick can tutor anything in the deck by summoning a level 3 which can be tutored, plus they have a trap that pulls a 2400 right out of the deck at no cost
What's that deck with Delinquent Duo on a stick (methinks its Moulinglacia)?
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:38 PM   #8
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Lol Konami hating searchers

They made a deck that tutors tutors that tutor more tutors and it plusses while doing so

They gave another tutor-heavy deck a card on par with W Nebula Meteorite in terms of bustedness

The deck that has Delinquent Duo on a stick can tutor anything in the deck by summoning a level 3 which can be tutored, plus they have a trap that pulls a 2400 right out of the deck at no cost
And I assure that Konami will hit them in September, Konami makes busted cards and after it is done milking them, Then proceeds to limit/ban them: Stratos, Rescue Cat, BWW, CotLB, E-Call, TGU, Dragonfly, Zenmaity...

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What's that deck with Delinquent Duo on a stick (methinks its Moulinglacia)?
I think he means Wind Ups
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:54 PM   #9
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Oh wow I forgot to mention Wind-Up Factory and Magician

And yes I was talking about Moulinglacia
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Lol Konami hating searchers

They made a deck that tutors tutors that tutor more tutors and it plusses while doing so

They gave another tutor-heavy deck a card on par with W Nebula Meteorite in terms of bustedness

The deck that has Delinquent Duo on a stick can tutor anything in the deck by summoning a level 3 which can be tutored, plus they have a trap that pulls a 2400 right out of the deck at no cost
a 2400 OR 2700 now ^_-
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:52 AM   #11
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Why is charge on the list, while JD is now at 3?

There's your answer.
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:59 AM   #12
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They actually love searchers. Have you seen how many they have made? But when a deck gets overpowered, hitting the consistency is a great way to weaken the deck without killing it.
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To have a way to control deck diversity, based in consistency.

It looks like this: To have a good theme deck, they need to create power cards and consistency cards, so it can be competitive.

Power cards/Big monsters are cool, so they aren't hit unless it's really needed.

Most of the time, if a deck is causing some problems for deck diversity, they hit the consistency cards, to lower the number of participants playing with that specific deck for some time.

The power cards can still be played, but since it's harder to bring them out, the deck isn't played as much as a previous list.

Then, new themes, with their respective power and consistency cards are created. Repeat the process.

Meanwhile, if an old deck loses enough relevance, they'll bring back some of the consistency cards to give them another chance, however, the new decks still have their power and consistency cards intact, so the old decks will have a little bit of difficulties to win against them anyways.

They don't hate searchers or consistency. That's the way they design a new archetype from the beginning. It's just the method they created to make a deck good, and control them if they hurt deck diversity. You can see this since a very long time ago, but this pattern is used even more since 2009.


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How many times has a deck continued to be a problem after it's searcher has been hit? None so far. Next question, if it works, why change it?
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They don't. They just hate the decks that aren't making money for them anymore.
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They gave another tutor-heavy deck a card on par with W Nebula Meteorite in terms of bustedness
implying Worms have many way to tutor.. Worms only have Cartaros. Xex doesn't count as he just mills Yagan. Yagan doesn't count because he needs Xex :P
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I think the OP is butthurt over Sangan, that **** had to go.
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implying Worms have many way to tutor.. Worms only have Cartaros. Xex doesn't count as he just mills Yagan. Yagan doesn't count because he needs Xex :P
On par with not actually W Nebula Meteorite, hes on about prophecy and Spellbook Judgement Day
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Old 02-27-2013, 01:03 PM   #20
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Tour Guide is still around.... but they don't hate searchers. I mean look at the run the E-Heroes have.
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Guys it is increadibly obvious the OP wants to know why Konami hits consistency over power in the decks they do hit.
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Okay. In simple terms part of it economic and other part is keep people buying the latest box. If you hit the power cards and not the engine sometimes will kill the deck. Searchers can easily hit because the card will either speed the deck up or slow it down depending it is on the list or not. Meta is super fast so hitting searchers is the easiest way to control it without hitting the boss cards.
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Because Yu-Gi-Oh is a sacky game and Konami prefers it that way. I mean, they could hit power cards and make the broken moves impossible but leave the deck's consistency alone, but they'd rather make the broken just really unlikely instead, so you feel cheated from any older (IE, hit by the list) deck when you lose to it.

It's because that's what the playerbase wants. Konami certainly doesn't "love searchers"--they love making money.
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Power and Searchers: Deck can consistently bust out its big combos.

No power and Searchers: Deck can consistently do something but the thing it doesn't isn't a great play.

Power and no searchers: Deck can make big plays (and the smaller plays that often come from using the cards in the big play) but can't do it as consistently so you see the smaller good plays more often than the big powerful ones.

In most cases, taking away a deck's power plays will kill it because if you hit the wrong stuff you kill the deck. Taking away the searchers means fewer big power plays but still allows for plays of some sort. Consistency isn't worth much if you can't do anything with it.
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