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Old 01-31-2013, 01:55 PM   #1
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Prelude/2011/2012.

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1/10/2013 rulings.

VE08, 5D's Manga vol. 5, JUMP Festa. 1/17/2013 rulings.

1/24/2013 rulings.

1/31/2013 rulings.

2/7/2013 rulings.

2/14/2013 rulings.

Special Promo Campaign Part A + Number 47 + Number 42.

LTGY Rulings.

3/6/2013 rulings.

3/14/2013 rulings.

3/21/2013 rulings.

Starter Deck 2013 + Strengthening Pack + a Double Spell ruling.

04/04/2013 rulings.

04/11/2013 rulings.

04/18/2013 rulings.

Judgment of the Light.

05/02/2013 rulings.

05/09/2013 rulings.

05/16/2012 rulings.

05/23/2013 rulings.

Extra Pack - Sword of Knights -.

06/06/2013 rulings.

06/13/13 rulings.

Structure Deck: Saga of the Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

06/27/2013 rulings.

07/04/2013 rulings.

07/11/2013 rulings.

07/18/2013 rulings.

Shadow Specters.

08/08/2013 rulings.

Collector's Pack: Zexal.

08/22/2013 rulings.

Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Volume 6, Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal volume 5, Valuable Book 16, ZW Slepinir Mail.

09/05/2013 rulings.

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Duelist Pack: Yuma 2: Gogogo and Dododo.

10/03/2013 rulings.

10/10/2013 rulings.

10/17/2013 rulings.

Duelist Pack 15 rulings.

10/31/2013 rulings.

11/7/2013 rulings.

Legacy of the Valiant rulings.

Gergiauger and Duelist Sets.

11/28/2013 rulings.

Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal Gekitotsu! Duel Carnival + Rowdy Express Battrain + Structure Deck: Kikouryuu Shourai.

12/12/2013 rulings (face-down reversal).

Number 58/JUMP Festa 2014/Premium Pack 16.

LVAL extra cards + Felice, Lightsworn Archer. V-JUMP Edition 10/ Gold Series 2014 rulings.

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Giant Enemy Crab.

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Q: When the effect of Number 106: Giant Hand is activated, can a different monster other than the one that has activated its effect be targeted?
A: Yes, it can.
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Q: If a Exiled Force that had the effect of Number 106: Giant Hand applied to it activates its effect, tributing itself as a cost and leaving the Field as a result, is the effect of that Exiled Force negated?
A: In that case, since Exiled Force tributed itself as a cost, it is no longer targeted by the effect of Number 106: Giant Hand.
As a result, the effect of Exiled Force resolves normally.
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Q: A Dododo Buster was Special Summoned from the Hand by the method described in its text, and its Level became 4 while on the Field. Aftewards, if Skill Drain is activated, what does its Level become?
Also, if Dododo Buster is Special Summoned from the Hand by the method described in its text while the effect of Skill Drain is being applied, what does its Level become?
A: If Skill Drain is used on a Dododo Buster that was Special Summoned from the Hand by the method described in its text and whose Level became 4 while on the Field, the Level of that Dododo Buster returns to its Original Level (= 6).
Also, even if Dododo Buster is Special Summoned from the Hand by the method described in its text while the effect of Skill Drain is being applied, the Level of that Dododo Buste returns to its Original Level (= 6).
Afterwards, even when the effect of Skill Drain is no longer applied, the effect of Dododo Buster does not Return to 4.
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Q: After Armored Kappa increases its own ATK or DEF by its own effect, if Skill Drain is activated, does its ATK or DEF Return to their Original values?
A: In that case, the ATK or DEF Return to its Original value.
Afterwards, even when the effect of Skill Drain is no longer applied, the ATK or DEF of Armored Kappa does not Return to the value it had before the effect of Skill Drain was applied (when it was increased).
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Q: If a Quillbolt Hedgehog that was Special Summoned by its own effect is chosen as a target for the effect of Beastlord Volcan, that Quillbolt Hedgehog uends up being Banished instead of being returned to the Hand, but can the effect of another Quillbolt Hedgehog be activated during that turn?
A: In that case, that Quillbolt Hedgehog does not Return to the Hand and is Banished instead.
Therefore, the player who activated the effect of Beastlord Volcan can activate the effect of another Quillbolt Hedgehog this turn.
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Q: At the time of the resolution of the effect of Number 106: Giant Hand, if Book of Moon is activated so that the targeted Effect Monster is flipped face-down, are the effects of that Effect Monster still negated?
A: In that case, the effects of that monster are not negated, and it can still change its Battle Position.
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Q: If you control a Sanctuary of the Spellcasters and you perform a Synchro Summon of a Spellcaster-Type Synchro Monster sending all your face-up Spellcaster-Type Monsters as Synchro Materials to the Graveyard, is Sanctuary of the Spellcasters destroyed?
Also, if you control a Sanctuary of the Spellcasters and you perform an Xyz Summon of a Spellcaster-Type Xyz Monster using all your face-up Spellcaster-Type Monsters as Xyz Materials, is Sanctuary of the Spellcasters destroyed?
A: If you control a Sanctuary of the Spellcasters and you perform a Synchro Summon of a Spellcaster-Type Synchro Monster sending all your face-up Spellcaster-Type Monsters as Synchro Materials to the Graveyard, since there is a situation in which you do not control a Spellcaster-Type Monster when you perform the procedure of the Synchro Summon, Sanctuary of the Spellcasters is destroyed.
Also, if you control a Sanctuary of the Spellcasters and you perform an Xyz Summon of a Spellcaster-Type Xyz Monster using all your face-up Spellcaster-Type Monsters as Xyz Materials, since there is a situation in which you do not control a Spellcaster-Type Monster when you perform the procedure of the Xyz Summon, Sanctuary of the Spellcasters is destroyed.
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Q: If Forbidden Lance is activated in a chain to the effect of Sanctuary of the Spellcasters, targeting the monster that was Normal or Special Summoned, can that monster attack or activate its effects?
Also, if Forbidden Lance is activated targeting a monster that has been affected by the effect of Sanctuary of the Spellcasters, can that monster attack or activate its effects?
A: If Forbidden Lance is activated in a chain to the effect of Sanctuary of the Spellcasters, targeting the monster that was Normal or Special Summoned, that monster is no longer affected by the effects of Sanctuary of the Spellcasters. (It can attack or activate its effects)
Also, if Forbidden Lance is activated targeting a monster that cannot attack or activate its effects by the effect of Sanctuary of the Spellcasters, even in that case, that monster still cannot declare attacks or activate its effects.
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Q: At the time of the resolution of the effect of Number 106: Giant Hand, if Compulsory Evacuation Device is activated so that the targeted Effect Monster Leaves the Field, are the effects of that Effect Monster still negated?
A: In that case, the effects of that monster are not negated.
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Q: Fusion, Synchro and Xyz Monsters cannot be added to the Hand, but can they be targeted for the effect of Beastlord Volcan?
A: Yes, they can.
In that case, they do not Return to the Hand, but Return to the Extra Deck instead.
Therefore, the player who activated the effect of Beastlord Volcan can activate the effects of those monsters.
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Q: If at the time of the resolution of the effect of Kamaitachi the targeted monster has been flipped face-down, is that monster still destroyed?
Also, is the effect that inflicts 500 points of damage still applied?
A: In that case, the targeted monster is not destroyed.
Also, the effect that inflicts 500 points of damage is not applied.
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Q: If a Fishborg Archer that was Special Summoned by its own effect is used as a Synchro Material or is destroyed by an opponent's Card Effect or similar, so that it has Left the Field by the time the Battle Phase begins, is the effect that destroys all non-WATER Monsters you control still applied?
A: If a Fishborg Archer activates its effect, since the Special Summoned was performed, even if that Fishborg Archer is used as a Synchro Material or is destroyed by an opponent's Card Effect or similar, so that it has Left the Field by the time the Battle Phase begins, the effect that destroys all non-WATER Monsters you control is still applied.
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Q: A Dododo Buster was Special Summoned from the Hand by the method described in its text, and its Level became 4 while on the Field. Aftewards, if Skill Drain is activated, what does its Level become?
Also, if Dododo Buster is Special Summoned from the Hand by the method described in its text while the effect of Skill Drain is being applied, what does its Level become?
A: If Skill Drain is used on a Dododo Buster that was Special Summoned from the Hand by the method described in its text and whose Level became 4 while on the Field, the Level of that Dododo Buster returns to its Original Level (= 6).
Also, even if Dododo Buster is Special Summoned from the Hand by the method described in its text while the effect of Skill Drain is being applied, the Level of that Dododo Buste returns to its Original Level (= 6).
Afterwards, even when the effect of Skill Drain is no longer applied, the effect of Dododo Buster does not Return to 4.
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It seems like Vulcan has that "and if you do you can't blah for the rest of the turn" PSCT then.
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Q: If you control a Sanctuary of the Spellcasters and you perform a Synchro Summon of a Spellcaster-Type Synchro Monster sending all your face-up Spellcaster-Type Monsters as Synchro Materials to the Graveyard, is Sanctuary of the Spellcasters destroyed?
Also, if you control a Sanctuary of the Spellcasters and you perform an Xyz Summon of a Spellcaster-Type Xyz Monster using all your face-up Spellcaster-Type Monsters as Xyz Materials, is Sanctuary of the Spellcasters destroyed?
A: If you control a Sanctuary of the Spellcasters and you perform a Synchro Summon of a Spellcaster-Type Synchro Monster sending all your face-up Spellcaster-Type Monsters as Synchro Materials to the Graveyard, since there is a situation in which you do not control a Spellcaster-Type Monster when you perform the procedure of the Synchro Summon, Sanctuary of the Spellcasters is destroyed.
Also, if you control a Sanctuary of the Spellcasters and you perform an Xyz Summon of a Spellcaster-Type Xyz Monster using all your face-up Spellcaster-Type Monsters as Xyz Materials, since there is a situation in which you do not control a Spellcaster-Type Monster when you perform the procedure of the Xyz Summon, Sanctuary of the Spellcasters is destroyed.
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Because they are meassured in tatami.
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Disregard this post, wasn't thinking clearly. See below.
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Triggers like that usually require the monster being face-up in order to activate.

Like chaining compulsory to Inzektor Hornet, targeting the Inzektor Dragonfly hornet was equiped to.
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Number 106 just gets neater and neater.
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@LittLeD:
Optional triggers that activate on the field requires the monster to remain on the field for activation.
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Optional triggers that activate on the field requires the monster to remain on the field for activation.
But what exactly do we base this on? There are very very few monsters with an optional on-field (if...you can) trigger effect and only Inzektor Dragonfly has that ruling given to it. When looking at how trigger effects behaves otherwise, one would come to expect that Fire Fist Dragon could activate its effect in the given scenario.

Of course though, if Konami releases a ruling of similar character stating Dragon couldn't activate its effect in this case, I'd be more than pleased to accept what you said as a more general rule of trigger-effect mechanics.

It would also be interesting to know whether it would make a difference if I replaced Compulsory Evacuation Device with Raigeki Break in the example I gave above. Perhaps the hand not being considered public knowledge plays a role in it as well, when involving all of the Mermail/Dandylion discard rulings into it.

Edit: Oh I realised I screwed up the example I gave above. What I really meant was:

Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Dragon is face-up on the field.
Chain 1: Compulsory Evacuation Device (Targeting the Dragon).
Chain 2: A Fire Formation Trap Card of some kind.

After resolving the chain, can Dragon's trigger effect be activated?
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There are rulings for this situation. It's just that Dragon itself doesn't have them.

If a Card needs to see something happen while sitting in a certain location, and the Card stops being in that location, they miss the event or the chance to acknowledge it happened. You don't generalize towards "most trigger effects" when Dragonfly is a clear exception to that, and one that is similar to Dragon as well.

I think you may find rulings for this while searching for Cards that "see" events like "each time you Summon a Zombie" or effects like that.
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But if the chain goes:

CL1: Dark Hole.
CL2: Fire Formation - Tenken (Not targeting Dragon)

When the chain has resolved, can dragon's effect be activated? I swear I've seen videos of people in OCG tournaments doing things similar to this and have it work out...
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Dragon is not face-up after Dark Hole resolves. Even if its trigger was met, it cannot activate its effect if it's not face-up on the Field, because its effect is based on seeing something happen.

And just because it's taped it doesn't mean its legal. It's probably because of the very lack of rulings in the subject.
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It's just like those scenarios where you'd end up triggering Damsel mid-Chain but it's gone from the Field in the end. It won't activate.
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Phantom Beastcrafts Max level?

I have been having trouble pinning this one down

"This card's Level is increased by the total Levels of all "Phantom Beast Plane Tokens" you control."

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1038128
http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1004193

I went off two threads that went into depth about level caps, granted that they were both about Greed Quasar

I also tried to base it off Mirror Ladybug wording, seeing as how it can in theory, go higher then 12.

So I am trying to find out if the Beastcrafts cap at 12, or go on? We have even asked DN Admins, who also say it caps at 12, but I just don't know for sure.
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Does it say the max Level is 12?

If not, it isn't. Simple as that.
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Does it say the max Level is 12?

If not, it isn't. Simple as that.
Thank you sir, you saved me days of sorting through brain-frying thread posts.

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Well aware that we have a Jwiki ruling regarding Veiler vs Judgment Dragon mill for Mandatory Effect reference.

Do we have at least Jwiki reference for Optional Effects though?
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The "optional" character of the effects should be enough.
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I think I know how the TCG gamestate chart explains it, but I just don't get why they can be "saved for last".

Hear me out here. 2AM ramblings and ****. End Phase shenanigans, double pass occurs. Isn't it assumed that both players have waived their opportunities to activate any Optionals, since both agreed to end the turn? Coz at this point, the gamestate starts being a *****, saying apply your Mandatories.. O:
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It isn't. You have to actually agree to end the turn.

The TCG's reference for this is Kevin saying "duh", so yeah, do what you can with that.
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OMFG RANDOM RAVE I JUST LEARNED HOW TO COPY/PASTE IN THIS ANCIENT PHONE!

Anyway coming from an OCG community where people can only surf/read TCG rulings, I can see myself having to impose the "optionals saved last" sometime soon.
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Q: If the effect of Skill Drain is applied after the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon is applied, so that Stardust Radiance Dragon or the target of its effect have their effects negated, is the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that prevents the target from being destroyed once per turn that was already applied negated?
A: Even in that scenario, the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that was already applied is not negated, and the effect that prevents the targeted Card from being destroyed is applied as usual.
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Q: If two copies of Fire King High Avatar Garunix are destroyed and sent to your Graveyard, how do their effects to Special Summon themselves from the Graveyard during the next Standby Phase resolve?
A: In the proposed scenario, each copy of Fire King High Avatar Garunix will start their own chain during the next Standby Phase.
First, the effect of one of the copies to Special Summon itself from the Graveyard is activated and resolved. As a result, the effect of the successfully Special Summoned Fire King High Avatar to destroy all other monsters on the Field is activated next, destroying all other monsters on the Field.
The effect of the other copy of Fire King High Avatar Garunix to Special Summon itself from the Graveyard activates in a new chain as Chain Link 1. When this other copy of Fire King High Avatar Garunix is Special Summoned successfully, since its effect to destroy all other monsters on the Field is activated, all monsters on the Field are destroyed including the Fire King High Avatar Garunix that was Special Summoned first. (As for the end result, only the copy of Fire King High Avatar Garunix that was Special Summoned second remains on the Field)
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Q: When Wind-Up Magician is Normal Summoned, if the effect of Wind-Up Shark is activated and Gozen Match is activated in a chain, how do each of these effects resolve?
A: In the proposed scenario, the Gozen Match activated as Chain Link 2 resolves first.
When the effect of Wind-Up Shark activated as Chain Link 1 resolves, since the effect of Gozen Match is being applied, as the Attribute of Wind-Up Shark is different from the FIRE Attribute of the Wind-Up Magician on the Field, it cannot be Special Summoned.
Therefore, the WATER Attribute Monster Wind-Up Shark cannot be Special Summoned and remains in the Hand.
Furthermore, even in this case, since the effect of Wind-Up Shark was still activated, the effect of the Wind-Up Magician on the Field can be activated.
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Q: If Book of Moon is activated in a chain to the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon, so that the target monster of the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon has been flipped face-down by the time the effect resolves, is the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that prevents the targeted Card from being destroyed still applied?
Also, if a monster was targeted by the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that prevents the targeted Card from being destroyed and afterwards it is flipped face-down by the effect of Book of Moon, what happens with the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that was already applied?
A: If Book of Moon is activated in a chain to the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon, so that the target monster of the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon has been flipped face-down by the time the effect resolves, the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that prevents the targeted Card from being destroyed is still applied.
Also, if a monster was targeted by the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that prevents the targeted Card from being destroyed and afterwards it is flipped face-down by the effect of Book of Moon, the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon is no longer applied.
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Q: While you control Evilswarm Ophion and Evilswarm Kerykeion, if Rivalry of Warlords is activated and Infestation Pandemic is activated in a chain, so that the Evilswarm Ophion and Evilswarm Kerykeion you control become unaffected by Spell and Trap Cards, how does the effect of Rivalry of Warlords resolve?
A: The effect of Rivalry of Warlords does not affect monsters. Even if there is a monster on the Field that has received the effect of Infestation Pandemic, you still must send monsters to the Graveyard until you control only 1 Type of monster.
In the proposed scenario, either Evilswarm Ophion or Evilswarm Kerykeion will be sent to the Graveyard.
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Q: If a Sangan that has received the effect of Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Tiger King that negates the effects of non-Beast-Warrior-Type Monsters is sent from the Field to the Graveyard, is the effect of Sangan that activates in the Graveyard still negated?
A: The effect of Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Tiger King that negates the effects of non-Beast-Warrior-Type Monsters only negates effects that are activated or applied on the Field.
Therefore, the effect of Sangan that activates in the Graveyard is not negated and is activated and resolves as usual.
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Q: For how long is the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that prevents the targeted Card from being destroyed applied?
A: Even if the targeted Card that has received the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon that prevents it from being destroyed is not destroyed in battle or by a Card effect this turn, the effect of Stardust Radiance Dragon is applied until the end of that turn.
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Q: If at the time of the resolution of Enthusiastic Beast Wolfberk that Enthusiastic Beast Wolfberk has Left the Field by being destroyed or having returned to the Hand, is the targeted monster still Special Summoned?
Also, if it is, are the effects of the Special Summoned monster still negated?
A: If at the time of the resolution of Enthusiastic Beast Wolfberk that Enthusiastic Beast Wolfberk has Left the Field by being destroyed or having returned to the Hand, the targeted monster is still Special Summoned.
Also, even in this case, the Special Summoned monster are still negated.
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Q: What is the timing for the effect of Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Dragon that sets a "Fire Formation" Trap Card from the Deck to your side of the Field when you activate a "Fire Formation" Spell or Trap Card?
A: The effect of Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Dragon that sets a "Fire Formation" Trap Card from the Deck to your side of the Field when you activate a "Fire Formation" Spell or Trap Card activates as Chain Link 1 in a new chain after the chain in which you activated a "Fire Formation" Spell or Trap Card is done resolving.
The effect of Brotherhood of the Fire Fist - Dragon is not activated in a chain to the activation of a "Fire Formation" Spell or Trap Card.
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