Go Back   Pojo.com Forums > Yu-Gi-Oh! > Yu-Gi-Oh TCG Discussions, News & Gossip
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

View Poll Results: Does the deck a player uses change their playing skill, and in what direction?
Yes, good players will use non-meta decks. 16 66.67%
No, only bad players use ****ty decks in general, while most meta players are good. 8 33.33%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-26-2012, 10:21 AM   #1
Pattyboo
Squiddy's #1 Fan
 
Pattyboo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: California DN Name: ! ! ! !Squiddy Sucks
Posts: 9,380
iTrader: 42 (94%)
Default Does using a bad deck make a good player, and vice versa

For some reason on Pojo, all I've seen lately is that Inzektors are the second most popular deck, AFTER THE BANLIST, while it saw little to no play and the thread saw no traffic previously? Why is this?

How come the mentality of Pojo is that Ice Barrier players are good, while somebody who chooses to use Rabbit is a scrub?

Also, on this note, is a bad deck automatically more skillful? Was QuickDraw Plants less skillful than Exodia solely because it was a better deck?
__________________
There is no reason to be an elitist over Yugioh. There is very little pride to take in being better at a children's card game than the person next to you.

[12/21/12 10:37:17 PM] Squiddoo: i am ur no. 1 fan patty boo get bak in yu gi oh

Last edited by Pattyboo : 08-26-2012 at 10:25 AM.
Pattyboo is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 10:26 AM   #2
nukm4
Grammar Nazi
 
nukm4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Taking an enthusiastic walk through the park.
Age: 21
Posts: 6,259
iTrader: 0
Default

Bad poll options. Where is my "there is no correlation" option?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by RavenOfRazgriz View Post
Since when did nukm become the most reasonable and sensible person here?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpknight View Post
Nukm's post was the only respectable thing said thus far.
nukm4 is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 10:31 AM   #3
Neo Zerato
Dreamer
 
Neo Zerato's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Mexico
Posts: 3,416
iTrader: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nukm4 View Post
Bad poll options. Where is my "there is no correlation" option?
This, I've seen good players using the most disastrous mash-up builds ever, then next format playng meta decks and viceversa.
Neo Zerato is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 10:34 AM   #4
sliferhaven
Pojo Veteran
 
sliferhaven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 1,879
iTrader: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nukm4 View Post
Bad poll options. Where is my "there is no correlation" option?
This. Just about any deck can be good or bad in the hands of a certain player. However, I will admit that I have a bit of a bias towards playing underrated decks and tier 1.5 or below decks. They just seem to make you think more, but that is not because of the deck itself. Instead, I would go as far as to say that using lower tier decks is almost like a sort of yugioh placebo effect. I play them because I want to show that the deck can win when used correctly, and that just because the deck may not be as popularly used doesn't mean it's any worse than some YCS copy-pasta.
sliferhaven is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 10:58 AM   #5
Regiruler
Wonderful
 
Regiruler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Heaven & Hell
Posts: 9,469
iTrader: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sliferhaven View Post
This. Just about any deck can be good or bad in the hands of a certain player. However, I will admit that I have a bit of a bias towards playing underrated decks and tier 1.5 or below decks. They just seem to make you think more, but that is not because of the deck itself. Instead, I would go as far as to say that using lower tier decks is almost like a sort of yugioh placebo effect. I play them because I want to show that the deck can win when used correctly, and that just because the deck may not be as popularly used doesn't mean it's any worse than some YCS copy-pasta.
Very much this, the poll options are terrible.
__________________
Guide to the Star Seraphs - Scepter's Advent---Vylon Guide 3.5
Quote:
Originally Posted by YuFeng View Post
Rarity already is a game mechanic. Ultimate Effect Veilers will negate your opponent HARDER!
Decks: Vylon
Create-a-Card Archetypes

NNID: Regiruler
Regiruler is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 11:14 AM   #6
darkcrab
Pojo Veteran
 
darkcrab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,722
iTrader: 0
Default

There needs to be another poll option, and heres a good title for it.

" These are the worst poll options ever"
darkcrab is online now  
Old 08-26-2012, 11:24 AM   #7
Sword_Stalker
something else
 
Sword_Stalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Tx
Posts: 12,631
iTrader: 1 (100%)
Default

a player using a good deck wins. it means they are either:
good
or the deck is just good
the opponent is worse

a player using a bad deck wins. it means they are:
good
the opponent is worse

a player using a good deck loses. it means they are:
bad
opponent was better

a player using a bad deck loses. it means they are:
bad
deck is bad
opponent was better.

only logic i see. if you pick one and ignore the other options, its an opinion only. so no point in debating.
__________________
Sword Stalker
-from genesis dragon 64
vet thread constellars
Sword_Stalker is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 11:48 AM   #8
ChairmanKaga
Iron Chef Vet
 
ChairmanKaga's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,727
iTrader: 6 (100%)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pattyboo View Post
For some reason on Pojo, all I've seen lately is that Inzektors are the second most popular deck, AFTER THE BANLIST, while it saw little to no play and the thread saw no traffic previously? Why is this?

How come the mentality of Pojo is that Ice Barrier players are good, while somebody who chooses to use Rabbit is a scrub?

Also, on this note, is a bad deck automatically more skillful? Was QuickDraw Plants less skillful than Exodia solely because it was a better deck?
Uhm I don't think anyone thinks Ice Barrier players are good, they might be more interested in the deck and seeing people trying to make it work, but not many people are going to go "oh you play ice barriers, you must be godly at yugiomonz!".

As to why people are interested in inzektors, its now going to be a VERY cheap deck to put together. The only really high price card in the deck (hornet) is getting limited and its generally considered to be going downhill quick powerwise meaning you should be able to pick up the cards for an Inzektor deck pretty cheaply.
Again it also represents something of the challenge the ice barrier decks do. You are trying to make a deck that is now handicapped compete with decks that are in better condition. This sort of thing has a certain allure to it specially to cultures who love underdogs and the like.

ps, your poll options suck
__________________
Bring back Fiber Jar 2011!!!
ChairmanKaga is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 12:06 PM   #9
AcselOfDarkness
Dark Acceptance
 
AcselOfDarkness's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: The shadow of a shadow (UK)
Age: 19
Posts: 7,191
iTrader: 0
Default

There is no absolute answer. Good players can use bad decks, bad players can use good decks, good players can use good decks and bad players can use bad decks. Equally, bad players can use either and become good players. A player is generally considered good or bad based on their deck and what moves they choose to make. Good players can make bad decks work and bad players can screw up with good decks.

Players don't exclusively use decks. Equally, not all decks can be categorized equally. For example, you can have a good ice barrier deck and a bad one. Not all ice barrier decks are bad though. Some Rabbit players are "scrubs", others are skilled players that want a good chance at winning.

The decks themselves can really be described as skillful. It's how the decks are used. There is some correlation here though. Underpowered archetypes are used less, meaning when someone uses them, they might have little or no experience. People watching might have never seen that deck. When that player duels, there are more chances for new plays (either new to the player or new to the audience). Sometimes, these new players can be incredibly skilled. When you play or watch a meta deck, those plays have been made and seen more often, so it appears to be less skilled and there are fewer openings for new plays. Thus skill doesn't appear as much. So there is a sort of correlation but if the player isn't skilled, you won't see skilled plays. The deck doesn't really matter.

Additional Comment:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sword_Stalker View Post
a player using a good deck wins. it means they are either:
good
or the deck is just good
the opponent is worse

a player using a bad deck wins. it means they are:
good
the opponent is worse

a player using a good deck loses. it means they are:
bad
opponent was better

a player using a bad deck loses. it means they are:
bad
deck is bad
opponent was better.

only logic i see. if you pick one and ignore the other options, its an opinion only. so no point in debating.
If this consistently happens then they are the only basic options. If it was just one game then you need to include luck as a winning factor for either play. There is always the chance that you had a bad matchup, say a burn deck against an anti-burn deck (bad example, I know).
__________________

Mental Seeker Stall/Deck Out
Psychic Norleras
YouTube Channel
Quote:
Originally Posted by petqwe View Post
Pojo should add an upvote button for you.

Last edited by AcselOfDarkness : 08-26-2012 at 12:06 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
AcselOfDarkness is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 12:13 PM   #10
Debris
Sweet Sweet Cicero
 
Debris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 10,600
iTrader: 86 (100%)
Default

Have a noob play Goat Control with you for a week and you'll see the improvement
Debris is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 12:15 PM   #11
Boltizar
Snoozin' Bujins
 
Boltizar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Age: 24
Posts: 7,062
iTrader: 0
Default

For starters, I'm uncomfortable with the poll keeping tabs on who's voting for what.

More to the point, I've known some very good players and they'll use whatever they want regardless of whether it's popular or not and can perform well, but that doesn't mean they'll never use popular deck options. Part of doing well in the game competitively is having the mindset "What will allow me to win most often". Use what works. And what defines a "bad deck" and a "good deck" exactly and wouldn't there be some sort of grey area?
__________________

You know you love me ~♥ | Singing Soul Gould Star Count: 1
Boltizar is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 12:20 PM   #12
SexyLusterSoldier
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 147
iTrader: 0
Default

Oh your deck beat me? Its cause its dat n00b deck you obviously net decked. I'm still the better duelist cause I like to use random Beast cards in my deck and it has absolutely no synergy.

Seems legit.

Most of the name calling and blah blah blah comes from poor sportsmanship. If you don't wanna duel the top stuff then don't duel competitively. There has to be a "top" deck. One that is considered the best. Its just how it works.

If you can't accept that then please leave the game.
SexyLusterSoldier is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 01:22 PM   #13
Bubbleh
RIPkindling
 
Bubbleh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: NY, Upstate
Age: 21
Posts: 4,273
iTrader: 19 (100%)
Default

I think the poll options should be leaning more towards "Good players will win with non-meta decks more often".
Bubbleh is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 01:58 PM   #14
AcselOfDarkness
Dark Acceptance
 
AcselOfDarkness's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: The shadow of a shadow (UK)
Age: 19
Posts: 7,191
iTrader: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubbleh View Post
I think the poll options should be leaning more towards "Good players will win with non-meta decks more often".
This really. It isn't about what you use, it's how you use it. It doesn't even have to say they'll win more often, just that they'll use the cards more effectively.
__________________

Mental Seeker Stall/Deck Out
Psychic Norleras
YouTube Channel
Quote:
Originally Posted by petqwe View Post
Pojo should add an upvote button for you.
AcselOfDarkness is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 02:03 PM   #15
Maou
El~Psy~Congroo
 
Maou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Age: 24
Posts: 2,032
iTrader: 0
Default

I won my locals last week in this disasterous format running Gem-Knights. That doesn't mean that Gem-Knights are good, that means the pilot behind them is good.

Any deck can do good in the hands of a good player. ANY. SINGLE. DECK.

/thread
__________________
RADRyan5Ds' Youtube Channel

6 Regional Top 8's
Maou is online now  
Old 08-26-2012, 02:13 PM   #16
DarkenedRazor
Registered User
 
DarkenedRazor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 373
iTrader: 0
Default

I prefer to stick to:
People who play meta decks are boring to duel against.
People who dont are fun to duel against.

Thats why this game got so boring for me.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by HarleyThomas View Post
This is Pojo. No one here is good.
Balanced version of Speed World.
DarkenedRazor is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 02:24 PM   #17
Mr Hyena
Gimmie a Spanking!
 
Mr Hyena's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Arkham Asylum
Age: 24
Posts: 19,460
iTrader: 0
Default

It takes more skill to win using a less powerful deck vs a highly consistent, meta deck.

So its something that should be applauded.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madarao
Love knows no gender or species.
Team Fuz
Mr Hyena is offline  
Old 08-26-2012, 02:48 PM   #18
TacoKing
MODKIP!!!
 
TacoKing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Denton, TX
Age: 37
Posts: 10,687
iTrader: 7 (100%)
Default

Locking this so the OP can try again with better poll options.
__________________
Baconator 4 lyfe!!!!http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv185/tacokingpojo/sigs/taconight.jpg
TacoKing is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

 
Advertisement


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.