Inzektor Hornet

[Abs0lute Zer0]

Ive only actually run into inzektors a few times. I think ive only won once out of like 4 times. Anyway I'm wondering why exactly hornet needs to be banned? I hate dark worlds and wind-ups and I hear less complaints about them than Inzektor Hornet. I guess I just havent played against the deck enough to see how broken it is, but can someone explain to me why the card is so broken.?

[Molotov]

In short, Hornet essentially grants field destruction as the Inzektor player pluses. During their pluses, the opponent continually loses resources on the field. Essentially, if you know you're facing inzektors from the get-go, don't commit to the field until you're ready to pound face; however, the issue then is that the Inzektor player will most likely be prepped to face off anything you have ready, and then plus off it. This is in part what Hornet does. When Hornet is first used and sent to the grave, the Inzektor player at that point basically has a free Raigeki Break that they plus off of almost every turn, and practically multiple times per turn. Part of the meta is forcibly warped around Inzektors as a result.

If you ban Hornet, Inzektors can be more free to be a combo-oriented xyz summoning deck that can recycle their resources efficiently.

I'm sure an inzektor player that doesnt mind Hornet going away can explain it much better than I can.

[Maedar]

Originally Posted by Molotov

I'm sure an inzektor player that doesnt mind Hornet going away can explain it much better than I can.

If there are indeed such players...

If Hornet is indeed banned, it's gonna be so much fun laughing at all the people who said it wouldn't be.

[Reddash9]

One of the main problems with hornet is the fact it is single handedly warping the metagame. The existance of hornet essentially blocks all tier 2 and lower decks from challenging any of the t1 decks.

Hornet.dek is essentially: "Hey, I may not top over here in tcg land, but I sure am gonna make 3 to 4 players drop out with me!"

In OCG land, their insane with lavalval chain. A ladybug play goes into lavalval chain to topdeck bls or Dark Armed Dragon. This plus being able to insta mill hornet if needed is a no no.

Without hornet their focus moves from "Black Rose the field every turn and otk you if you dont commit to the field" to rake 3 to 6 xyzing like intended. No hornet means variation in inzectors, with players able to see past the hornet and look at things like earwig, firefly and ant. They might actually run armor blast which is basically a more balanced hornet.

[99TourGuides]

You know how Stratos and TGU are instant +1 on summon?

Well having one Hornet in the grave turns your Inzektor Dragonfly into a +4 upon summon.

[Maedar]

And by the way, the whole "it can be countered" argument doesn't fly with Hornet. If Hornet is countered, it can be used again.

[nimblemanta]

What are good counters to Hornet?

D.D. Crow and Macro Cosmos, of course. But what are good cards and strategies against it?

[Abs0lute Zer0]

Constant abuse of that effect definitely needs to be limited. I just dont see konami banning hornet, but I could definitely see them limiting it

[Chaos Pancake]

The reason I think hornet needs to be banned and no other hit will stand in for it is Inzektor dragonfly equipped with inzektor sword - zektkaliber or inzektor giga-mantis or inzektor giga-weevil and hornet, if you use Hornets effect to self to target your own equip card you get an extremely extremely derpy combo which is to consistent to be allowed to stay.

[Gaspar]

Opponent commits to the field? You can destroy their cards for free while gaining cards for doing so.
Opponent does not commit to the field? OTK.

[Molotov]

The poster above me basically summed it up quite nicely and succinctly.

Limiting hardly does anything thanks to the likes Foolish Burial, TGU/Leviair (to recover if banished), BFDD (again, if banished), searchers like Centipede and Sangan, etc... Plus, you only need to have one in the grave to have yourself set up for the entire game.

Fact of the matter is that Hornet limits what else Inzektor can do (why equip Ladybug and the others if you can just pop and spam?) and forces practically any meta to be weary of it.

[Abs0lute Zer0]

Even though it wins duels, I dont like when decks have certain moves that you pretty much have to use over and over to ensure that you win. After looking up the other inzektor cards; like sword, and giga-weevil/mantis; I can see a whole lot of spam going on after sending a hornet to the grave.

[KefkaPalazzo]

The biggest reason I think Hornet has to go is because of how many cards he's made entirely useless.

You CANNOT use any un-chainable Traps or any monsters that have Search effects when destroyed by battle if you wanna compete in any way. Inzektor Hornet will blow your **** up and get more cards for your opponent to touch himself with. That Shining Angel, Pyramid Turtle, etc. and even cards like Dimensional Prison, Mirror Force, and Bottomless Trap Hole need to be sided out because they become mostly useless against Inzektors.

[david0925]

Originally Posted by KefkaPalazzo

The biggest reason I think Hornet has to go is because of how many cards he's made entirely useless.

You CANNOT use any un-chainable Traps or any monsters that have Search effects when destroyed by battle if you wanna compete in any way. Inzektor Hornet will blow your **** up and get more cards for your opponent to touch himself with. That Shining Angel, Pyramid Turtle, etc. and even cards like Dimensional Prison, Mirror Force, and Bottomless Trap Hole need to be sided out because they become mostly useless against Inzektors.

Pretty much this. This is probably one of the first time a mechanic rendered more than half the game unplayable.

[KefkaPalazzo]

Originally Posted by david0925

Pretty much this. This is probably one of the first time a mechanic rendered more than half the game unplayable.

It's kinda stupid how those cards work fine when Hornet is out of the picture.
They're still not amazing, but they're usable because destruction would be a lot less common.
Dino-Rabbit doesn't destroy, it negates summons and activations while Chaos Dragons is more of a beat-down. Wind-Ups don't even have destruction outside of the somewhat uncontrollable Zenmaines. Heroes do have a lot of destruction, but most of it will not affect face-down cards. Dark Worlds only have Grapha, etc.
Inzektor Hornet ruins everything.

[Bubbleh]

Originally Posted by nimblemanta

What are good counters to Hornet?

D.D. Crow and Macro Cosmos, of course. But what are good cards and strategies against it?

Safe Zone.

[Abs0lute Zer0]

Originally Posted by Bubbleh

Safe Zone.

Cant they just go for Safe Zone then?

[KefkaPalazzo]

Originally Posted by Abs0lute Zer0

Cant they just go for Safe Zone then?

You chain Safe Zone to Hornet's effect and equip it to their Dragonfly to destroy it, but it wont work too well because AFAIK, they still get to Sp.summon a Centipede which can easily search out another Dragonfly :L

[Mark Howard]

Originally Posted by Reddash9

One of the main problems with hornet is the fact it is single handedly warping the metagame. The existance of hornet essentially blocks all tier 2 and lower decks from challenging any of the t1 decks.

Hornet.dek is essentially: "Hey, I may not top over here in tcg land, but I sure am gonna make 3 to 4 players drop out with me!"

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. Reddash9, you have officially won my seal of approval. I've been ranting about how decks like Inzektors (with Hornet, anyway) shouldn't exist because they prevent so many other decks from being good. But stupid Pojo-ers say that no deck can have any effect on anyone who plays the game unless that deck is consistently topping.

For example, even though lots of people use Chain Burn and Dragon Exodia, and NOBODY likes facing those decks, people in the F/L section have come after me for ripping on those decks, just because they don't consistently top... even though they're CLEARLY having a very, very, very negative impact on the game.

[Abs0lute Zer0]

Its funny; I thought the only decks i needed to fear were wind ups and Dark Worlds... guess I just havent faced a good inzektor player yet, because the ones I have faced didnt do much. They did still beat me though

[Molotov]

Originally Posted by Mark Howard

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. Reddash9, you have officially won my seal of approval. I've been ranting about how decks like Inzektors (with Hornet, anyway) shouldn't exist because they prevent so many other decks from being good. But stupid Pojo-ers say that no deck can have any effect on anyone who plays the game unless that deck is consistently topping.

For example, even though lots of people use Chain Burn and Dragon Exodia, and NOBODY likes facing those decks, people in the F/L section have come after me for ripping on those decks, just because they don't consistently top... even though they're CLEARLY having a very, very, very negative impact on the game.

I feel the same way, mostly because I hate playing duels in which I have nothing to but watch my opponent set cards all game, or just draw nearly their entire deck turn 1.

[nimblemanta]

Too much complaining.

Needs more solutions and answers.

Nimble Manta?

[powermixer]

Originally Posted by KefkaPalazzo

You chain Safe Zone to Hornet's effect and equip it to their Dragonfly to destroy it, but it wont work too well because AFAIK, they still get to Sp.summon a Centipede which can easily search out another Dragonfly :L

they can't summon centipede since dragonfly isn't face-up at the after the resolution of hornet. Same thing as if you use hornet to pop a facedown Book of Moon and you chain it.

[RagingArkie]

It punishes players for committing to the field. You might as well give the Inzektor player a Dark Hole each turn.

Originally Posted by Molotov

an inzektor player that doesnt mind Hornet going away

Believe it or not, such people exist. Inzektor XYZ is pretty fun to play, I'll have to admit.

[Molotov]

Originally Posted by RagingArkie

Believe it or not, such people exist. Inzektor XYZ is pretty fun to play, I'll have to admit.

I wasn't implying that there weren't. I apologize if I was sounding negative!

I do know that when Inzektors were discussed in the F/L section, a few inzektor players highlighted that hitting Hornet is better than hitting, say Dragonfly for example.

Banning Hornet doesn't kill the deck. It just changes it into something else like you said.