Make an argument against these hits

Terrorking · 07-30-2012, 10:20 PM

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One Day of Peace/Final Countdown
Exodia
Inzektor Centipede
Five-Headed Dragon

Edit: For clarity's sake, no, this isn't my list. I'm against it too and you can see why if you scroll down. As the title says, simply argue against the ludicrous hits.

dr zoidberg · 07-30-2012, 10:24 PM

Youre a noob. What do i win?

Barrel Dragon_080 · 07-30-2012, 10:24 PM

Challenge accepted

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

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One Day of Peace/Final Countdown

Because Chain Burn is just overrunning the entire meta and bringing us all down/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

Exodia

What? When was the last time you ever saw an Exodia deck at a regional or YCS? And if so, when did one actually do anything?

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

Inzektor Centipede

Hornet makes more sense to ban, Centipede or Dragonfly should be limited.

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

Five-Headed Dragon

I would agree with this but Future Fusion is just too good a card and should probably go instead.

Terrorking · 07-30-2012, 10:35 PM

These aren't my opinions, but okay. I wanna see if my reasoning for laughing at these hits is good enough.

Additional Comment:

For reference, my arguments are:

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Originally Posted by Five Headed Dragon

Without Future Fusion, Five-Headed Dragon is as useless as its always been.

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Originally Posted by Exodia

Lol.

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Originally Posted by Centipede

Centipede gives the Deck a search card, and that is an invaluable tool for a Type that has no generic searchers. The real choice is between Hornet and Dragonfly.

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Originally Posted by One Day of Peace/Final Trolldown

Alt. win conditions are a good thing, so Final Countdown should stay where it is. One Day of Peace is laughable at the moment. Final Countdown gets wrecked by any half-decent Side Deck.

CardApp · 07-30-2012, 10:40 PM

I gotta ask - since Final Countdown isn't meta-relevant, what Side Deck cards stop it, exactly?

HochDeutsch · 07-30-2012, 10:43 PM

hitting Centipede ******edly dodges the real issue in textbook Konami faction. Inzektors fundamentally change the way the game is played and the structure of the metagame thanks to Hornet's easy-as-pie non-minusing and infinitely recurrable popping effect. To hit Centipede is to hit consistency instead of hitting the actual issue at hand.

hitting Five-Headed Dragon, similarly, attempts to avoid the actual problem at hand by hitting one particular case of exploitation by an incredibly broken, overpowered card used exclusively for exploitation rather than just banning the broken ******* card.

GlandiatorBeast94 · 07-30-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

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One Day of Peace/Final Countdown
Exodia
Inzektor Centipede
Five-Headed Dragon

One Day of Peace/Final Countdown I don't run the card or know the effects and type of decks they are in so therefore I really can't argue for them.

Exodia. Really? We all know if you have all 5 cards of Exodia you instantly win that game. But banning it is stupid. How many competitive decks do you currently see that are Exodia FTK or OTK. I could look on Youtube and find mutiple deck builds but if I went to a Regional or a National how well would I fair? I think I'd be pretty lucky to even go to day 2. Not just me but anyone who currently plays the deck and I don't think this will change next format. Exodia decks are only made now to just have fun not to win and go to WCQs or top end competitions.

Inzektor Centipede isn't the problem, Dragonfly is. You would hurt the deck 1000 times more if you limit or even ban Dragonfly than if you banned Centipede. Dragonfly is the main reason why the can loop, Centipede is just a stall card for them really until they draw their Hornets and Dragonflies. If you really want to hurt Inzektors ban Dragonfly.

Five-Headed Dragon shouldn't be banned. If you are looking at hurting Chaos Dragons you are going the wrong way. While banning Five-Headed Dragon would stop them from getting 5 dragons in the grave they could still use Future Fusion and target a different fusion and while the requirements may not be a drastic as Five-Headed Dragon there is most likely a fusion card that Chaos Dragons could still use effectively with Future Fusion. The problem isn't Five-Headed Dragon it's Future Fusion, this isn't the first time Future Fusion hasn't been abused in a top tier deck and it won't be the last unless you ban Future Fusion. And besides, without Cyber Stein how many people do you really see getting Five-Headed Dragon with Poly or Fusion Gate?

KefkaPalazzo · 07-30-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CardApp

I gotta ask - since Final Countdown isn't meta-relevant, what Side Deck cards stop it, exactly?

Royal Decree helps a LOT, since they only have 6 Battle-ending Monsters, but 9+ Battle-ending Traps.
Curse of the Forbidden Spell(or whatever it's called) or Prohibition completely stops their win condition too.

KlownshuuZ · 07-30-2012, 11:19 PM

Except for one day of peace I hope they all get banned. One day is fine. Annoying? Sure. Making decks win? No. Fine at 3.

revers0helix · 07-31-2012, 02:00 AM

Am I the only one who likes most of these hits?

Exodia: Creates its own genre of "Screw you, opponent" solitaire decks. Luck-based win condition. Why keep it?

Final Countdown: Again, makes its own genre of deck, this time designed for the sheer purpose of waiting until you win. Not healthy.

Centipede: I'd like to see Hornet banned, since I like XYZ spam decks. However, Centipede would be a dang solid hit. Dragonfly loses its only actually good target.

I disagree on FHD. Future Fusion should be banned, because people always find new ways to abuse it. For example, that combo that E-Heroes had with Escuridao.
http://forum.tcgplayer.com/archive/i...t-266661.html?
FF has been abused before, and I expect Gem-Knights to do something with it too, if only use it as Lazuli dumping and GK-Fusion fodder.

Terrorking · 07-31-2012, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dr zoidberg

Youre a noob. What do i win?

My pity.

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Originally Posted by revers0helix

Am I the only one who likes most of these hits?

Yes.

revers0helix · 07-31-2012, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

My pity.

Yes.

10banlists

dr zoidberg · 07-31-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

My pity.

Yes.

oh noes a noob pitys me, what ever will i do?

Alastorrr · 07-31-2012, 12:04 PM

decent hits.

its easier to ignore the people that think these hits are terrible.

countdown/one day of peace/exodia promotes skill-less gameplay whether you would like to admit or not.

centipede being able to search all the key elements to the deck would make sense why it would need a ban, but it is pretty extreme.

Five headed shouldn't be hit tbh.

Gaspar · 07-31-2012, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CardApp

I gotta ask - since Final Countdown isn't meta-relevant, what Side Deck cards stop it, exactly?

Wave-Motion Cannon and Stealth Bird.

N.Nick · 07-31-2012, 12:10 PM

Centipede? What?

freon_ninja · 07-31-2012, 12:13 PM

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I would agree with this but Future Fusion is just too good a card and should probably go instead.

Nah, Five headed is what makes FF so broken in Chaos Dragons. If you ban Five Headed Dragon you can leave Future Fusion around for other decks that need to utilize it, while stopping chaos dragons from abusing it. (or even being able to play it at all)

Let's face it. no one really even plays a five head dragon deck (the right way) so his ban will not effect many people like Future Fusion's would...

BTW semi One Day, Exodia is fine at one each lol,

and YOU PICKED CENTIPEDE?? out of all of the Inzektor madness???? SMH

Alastorrr · 07-31-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by freon_ninja

Nah, Five headed is what makes FF so broken in Chaos Dragons. If you ban Five Headed Dragon you can leave Future Fusion around for other decks that need to utilize it, while stopping chaos dragons from abusing it. (or even being able to play it at all)

Let's face it. no one really even plays a five head dragon deck (the right way) so his ban will not effect many people like Future Fusion's would...

BTW semi One Day, Exodia is fine at one each lol,

and YOU PICKED CENTIPEDE?? out of all of the Inzektor madness???? SMH

So tell me how you're going to search for Dragonfly aside from off of Sangan?

Exodia/One Day aren't fine.

matthewmilad · 07-31-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

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One Day of Peace/Final Countdown
Exodia
Inzektor Centipede
Five-Headed Dragon

Easy.

One Day of Peace is a +1 for the opponent and is 2 turns where burn cards cannot be used. You'd have to be an idiot to think this should be on the list over something like Chain Strike.

Exodia is a 5-card win condition. Any issues with it are due to the cards that let you amass the pieces easily.

Hitting Inzektor Centipede is tantamount to hitting X-Saber Airbellum instead of Rescue Cat or Wind-Up Hunter instead of Wind-Up Zenmaity or Wind-Up Rat. Hit Dragonfly and the deck can't spam go through a +4 turn so easily with double destruction and Xyz.

Five-Headed Dragon is only fine to stay if Future Fusion is banned. No argument for it to stay if Future Fusion stays. The argument to keep it involves the fact that Future Fusion is abusable in other decks as well, such as Heroes, etc. etc.

freon_ninja · 07-31-2012, 02:51 PM

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...or Wind-Up Hunter instead of Wind-Up Zenmaity or Wind-Up Rat...

Hit zenmaighty and hunter

simple

And there is NO excuse for hunter being an unbanned card PERIOD.

Look at what is banned currently and tell me why, if those cards are soooooo ban worthy, hunter should still stay legal.

Spore/Opression/Dustshoot/ are soooo "broken" they must be banned entirely, yet hunter shouldn't be hit? ahahahahahahahahah I smell bias

xTenraix · 07-31-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

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One Day of Peace/Final Countdown
Exodia
Inzektor Centipede
Five-Headed Dragon

You sound butthurt, especially over Exodia decks. There's no reason to kill it. Sure, it's annoying, but what the hell has it done? Seriously bro, learn the game. Hornet needs to be hit instead of Centipede. If you ban Centipede, you kill the deck. The point isn't to kill the deck, it's to balance it, and banning Hornet does just that. It stops the +4's, and they become an Xyz deck. I agree with hitting FHD over Future Fusion. And, that's my arguement.

Twinkie · 07-31-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

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One Day of Peace/Final Countdown
Side-Deck kills the entire deck.
Exodia
You will not always get the FTK. Also Dice Roll.
Inzektor Centipede
Archetype card that only works in a non-super mega variation of an FTK. Konami won't hit it.
Five-Headed Dragon
Future Fusion is the problem. You can dump other things and still have broken plays.

There you go.

joshy118 · 07-31-2012, 08:48 PM

Final Countdown shouldn't exist. If it's not banned/limited, then ODoP at least should. It is not a balanced card and only serves to strengthen solitaire/OTK decks.

DKMagicianGirl · 07-31-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TerrorkingA

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One Day of Peace/Final Countdown
Exodia
Inzektor Centipede
Five-Headed Dragon

1. Too severe of a hit for my tastes.
2. Why? No, I'm serious. Why?
3. And leave Dragonfly/Hornet alone? No thank you.
4. Future Fusion should be in its place, not F.G.D.

SirDragonite · 07-31-2012, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by joshy118

Final Countdown shouldn't exist. If it's not banned/limited, then ODoP at least should. It is not a balanced card and only serves to strengthen solitaire/OTK decks.

Final Countdown exists to punish people who run Chaos Dragons/Inzektors. It also exists to punish netdeckers.

I approve of its jimmy rustling.