My September 2012 Banlist

[Big_koala]

Cards being hit:

0-
Monster Reborn
Mind Control
Gateway of the Six
Future Fusion
Heavy Storm
Wind-up Hunter
Pot of Avarice
Black Luster Soldier-Envoy of the Begining

1-
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon
Inzektor Hornet
Chain Strike
Tour Guide From the Underworld

2-
Rescue Rabbit
Master Hyperion
Inzektor Dragonfly

Cards brought back:

1-
Tsukuyomi

2-
Blackwing-Kalut the Moon Shadow
Lonefire Blossom
The Agent of Mystery-Earth
The Transmigration Prophecy

3-
Primal Seed
Summoner Monk
Emergency Teleport
Magical Stone Excavation

Any good?

Additional Comment:

bump10char

[! ! ! $]

FGD isn't a problem without Future Fusion and leaving FF around let's other decks use it, even if it isn't as problematic in those decks as opposed to Chaos Dragon.

Dragonfly to 2 hardly slows down the deck, but no one seems to understand this concept.

Why would you need to put Rabbit to 2 when you A) Put TGU to 1 and B) Laggia to 1?

You give BW 2 Whirlwind AND 2 Kalut? At least you didn't up Gale.

[Big_koala]

Originally Posted by ! ! ! $

FGD isn't a problem without Future Fusion and leaving FF around let's other decks use it, even if it isn't as problematic in those decks as opposed to Chaos Dragon.
Which is why I hit it instead of Future Fusion.

Dragonfly to 2 hardly slows down the deck, but no one seems to understand this concept.
Hornet is also hit if you didn't notice

Why would you need to put Rabbit to 2 when you A) Put TGU to 1 and B) Laggia to 1?

You give BW 2 Whirlwind AND 2 Kalut? At least you didn't up Gale.

I hardly see how adding slight consistency and another demi-honest to the deck is hardly game-changing

Any other thoughts?

[! ! ! $]

So you're going to continue to let a problematic card stay around and hit a card that is nothing outside of FF?

I missed the part about Hornet to 1. If you're hitting Hornet is there any reason to hit any thing other than that in Inzektor? (I feel like I repeat myself on each of the banlists).

Having Multiple Kalut/Gale was the reason Black Whirlwind was considered "Broken" in the first place.

[Big_koala]

Future fusion is not problematic without FHD, its just used in some inconsistent otk decks or gem-knights/heroes
Gale is still at one so whats the problem?

[Nintenderek]

Originally Posted by Big_koala

Cards being hit:

0-
Monster Reborn Sure
Mind Control Yep
Gateway of the Six What have samurais done recently again? I mean, this is basically like banning Black Whirlwind or Infernity Launcher. If an archetype isn't doing anything, no reason to hit them.
Five-Headed Dragon While I don't believe Five Headed Dragon or Future Fusion to be the problem in dragons (especially since half the time, when a chaos dragon player draws Future Fusion, they don't have enough dragons left in the deck anyway) I do think Future Fusion would be a better hit than five headed dragon. But I think Eclipse Wyvern or Light Pulsar would be a better hit than either of those
Heavy Storm It's a necessary evil for the format and doesn't need to be banned. You are just asking for a set five and end format, and those are the worse kinds of format.
Wind-up Hunter Sure
Pot of Avarice Well, it's not your worse hit, but I'm not sure why it's needed. We'll just go along with it though.
Card Destruction Dark Worlds aren't a threat and it's not used in anything else usually
BLS Makes sense, although you could at least spell the card's name out for a list...

1-
Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon You already hit five headed dragon?
Inzektor Hornet Sure
Evolzar Laggia Why not just hit the rabbit?
One Day of Peace No. Horrible hit.
Chain Strike Another horrible hit
Tour Guide From the Underworld Sure
Royal Tribute Horrible hit. GK have done nothing, so there's no reason to take one of their best cards from them

2-
Wind-Up Zenmaighty You already hit hunter
Rescue Rabbit You already hit laggia. This was a better hit, but now the laggia hit makes absolutely no sense
Master Hyperion Huh?
Inzektor Dragonfly Sure

Cards brought back:

1-
Dark Magician of Chaos No
Tsukuyomi No

2-
Blackwing-Kalut the Moon Shadow Sure
Gladiator Beast Bestiari Glad Beasts are fine as is, they just need the rest of the format slowed down to their pace
Lonefire Blossom Sure
Plaguespreader Zombie No. Way to generic of a tuner
The Agent of Mystery-Earth I guess, since you hit hyperion, but still not ideal
T.G Striker No. T.G.s in general are still too good
Black Whirlwind No. At least, not at the same time as kalut. Blackwings really only need one card back, not two
The Transmigration Prophecy Sure

3-
Primal Seed Sure
Necro Gardna That would be way too annoying
Summoner Monk I guess
Emergency Teleport I guess
Magical Stone Excavation Sure
Swords of Revealing Light Way too annoying

Any good?

Additional Comment:

bump10char

Additional Comment:

bump10char

Not only are my thoughts above, but I think this list was formatted horribly as well. You don't need separate lists. Just make a list of forbidden, limited semi limited and off the list and put stuff in the spots regardless of where they were on the list before.

I give it a 4/10 and I would not play under this format.

[UberDueler]

Originally Posted by Big_koala

Future fusion is not problematic without FHD, its just used in some inconsistent otk decks or gem-knights/heroes
Gale is still at one so whats the problem?

Future Fusion is the better hit.

Decks FHD is used in

Dragons

Decks Future_Fusion is used in

Dragons
Elemental HERO
Destiny HERO (Absolute Zero)
Laval (Check out Blaze Fenix)
Cyber Dragon OTKs

[SkaterTrainer]

Bad list. You hit samurai for absolutely no reason, just because gateway is an extremely powerful card doesn't warrant it's banning if the deck isn't doing anything at the moment. FHD over Future Fusion is just a bad call as well as hitting Red-Eyes, the problem card with the deck is really pulsar and wyvern. Limiting of Chain Strike and Royal Tribute is like the banning of gateway, completely pointless as they aren't relevant this format. Dragonfly is more of the problem card than hornet. Random hyperion, follows suit with Gateway, Strike, and Tribute. Necro Gardna and swords don't need a push, they are fine at 2.

You also bumped your own thread twice in the same day you posted it -_-

[Big_koala]

@nintenderek thanks for the constructive criticism, I agree with most of you points, but i do believe chain-burn needs to be hit
modified the list a bit too

[! ! ! $]

I can vouch for Chain Strike only because I believe decks that have alternate win conditions (like Final Countdown, Burn) shouldn't exist.

[Kiriyama]

I stopped reading at FHD.

People who don't think Future Fusion is a problem cannot possibly make a good banlist because not thinking it is a problem is not understanding why, with even all the top tier decks of this format banned, how many OTKs the card creates around itself.

Die.

[Big_koala]

Originally Posted by SkaterTrainer

Bad list. You hit samurai for absolutely no reason, just because gateway is an extremely powerful card doesn't warrant it's banning if the deck isn't doing anything at the moment. FHD over Future Fusion is just a bad call as well as hitting Red-Eyes, the problem card with the deck is really pulsar and wyvern. Limiting of Chain Strike and Royal Tribute is like the banning of gateway, completely pointless as they aren't relevant this format. Dragonfly is more of the problem card than hornet. Random hyperion, follows suit with Gateway, Strike, and Tribute. Necro Gardna and swords don't need a push, they are fine at 2.

You also bumped your own thread twice in the same day you posted it -_-

I posted the thread yesterday and samurais need a hit, they are very powerful with gateway

@Kiriyama good point, I was wrong about FHD/Future Fusion so i changed the list a bit

[Will-O'-The-Wisp]

Originally Posted by SkaterTrainer

Bad list. You hit samurai for absolutely no reason, just because gateway is an extremely powerful card doesn't warrant it's banning if the deck isn't doing anything at the moment

Actually no, it DOES warrant a ban regardless of how well the deck is doing. The list serves to improve the game by removing the cards which spoil it, broken cards shouldn't be hit only when the deck tops YCS's frequently. Gateway was fine when SOVR was released, but the moment STOR came out, the samurai playstyle completely changed and the card became broke.

This is coming from a Samurai player btw, it shouldn't automatically be a loss for them just because I open with Gateway, how is that good for the game?

I've said this in another thread, Gateway to 0, Smoke Signal to 3 would be good.

@ the ban list itself, it's okay, I don't agree with cards like Kalut being at any more than 1 however