Elemental HERO Thunder Giant

[Alice]

Originally Posted by Gaspar

You are talking to a guy who plays nothing but rouge and "fun" decks...

Then stop talking about hero like that

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

It s something we call "FUN" in the world of people who don t only know top tier deck
You should learn it,it s really interesing.

Additional Comment:


I am sure we xyz AND miracle fusion
Not gonna be a waste

There is a difference between having fun and completely compromising the consistency of a deck.

So instead you are going to summon Rabbit, summon 2 Sparkman/Clayman, Xyz into something, detach a material, Miracle Fusion into Thunder Giant, discard a card and pop the problematic monster at exactly the right moment you need to because of how situational Thunder Giant is? Why not just ignore everything after Miracle Fusion and deal with the problem by Xyz summoning Black Corn? Chances are it can take out the problem.

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

There is a difference between having fun and completely compromising the consistency of a deck.

So instead you are going to summon Rabbit, summon 2 Sparkman/Clayman, Xyz into something, detach a material, Miracle Fusion into Thunder Giant, discard a card and pop the problematic monster at exactly the right moment you need to because of how situational Thunder Giant is? Why not just ignore everything after Miracle Fusion and deal with the problem by Xyz summoning Black Corn? Chances are it can take out the problem.

OMG,STOP SAYING BLACK CORN=THUNDER GIANT
THAT S SO WRONG

[Gaspar]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

Then stop talking about hero like that

Why? I am right about this. I can talk about it if I want to do so.

[Alice]

Originally Posted by Gaspar

Why? I am right about this. I can talk about it if I want to do so.

What i mean is
Stop talking about hero like if the deck MUST BE DONE IN A TOP TIER WAY when you talk about monster like thunder giant

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

OMG,STOP SAYING BLACK CORN=THUNDER GIANT
THAT S SO WRONG

I didn't say that. If anything Black Corn is better, not equal. Black Corn is a better option in the scenario of using Rescue Rabbit. The only reason you'd summon either is for the effect since there are better options when going into a Rank 4 or a HERO fusion. Thunder Giant requires specific materials while Black Corn is just any level 4's. While you have slightly fewer options on what to hit with Corn, it is substantially easier to summon, doesn't require dedication and also deals a bit of burn damage.

[crystalight]

Elemental HERO Absolute Zero.

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

What i mean is
Stop talking about hero like if the deck MUST BE DONE IN A TOP TIER WAY when you talk about monster like thunder giant

Nobody ever said it had to be the top tier way, we are saying that there is no point losing consistency and power to summon a monster who is sub par itself and outclassed.

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

I didn't say that. If anything Black Corn is better, not equal. Black Corn is a better option in the scenario of using Rescue Rabbit. The only reason you'd summon either is for the effect since there are better options when going into a Rank 4 or a HERO fusion. Thunder Giant requires specific materials while Black Corn is just any level 4's. While you have slightly fewer options on what to hit with Corn, it is substantially easier to summon, doesn't require dedication and also deals a bit of burn damage.

k,then let s just play the 2 of them together,rabbit summond black corn
PROBLEME SOLVED

[Gaspar]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

What i mean is
Stop talking about hero like if the deck MUST BE DONE IN A TOP TIER WAY when you talk about monster like thunder giant

I hate Top Tier Heroes. So boring. But there is a difference between making Heroes as a whole and talking about Thunger Giant as if it was actually good, when all it does is turn your cards in hand into weak copies of Smashing Ground once per turn after you had to summon him.

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

Nobody ever said it had to be the top tier way, we are saying that there is no point losing consistency and power to summon a monster who is sub par itself and outclassed.

Oh please don t become like those people who said "don t play it because i said so".
I like when i beat my oponent with card that he found lame and outclassed

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Gaspar

I hate Top Tier Heroes. So boring. But there is a difference between making Heroes as a whole and talking about Thunger Giant as if it was actually good, when all it does is turn your cards in hand into weak copies of Smashing Ground once per turn after you had to summon him.

Smashing Ground is really a BAD COMPARISON
Thunder giant is not bad,but yeah the material he need kill him

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

k,then let s just play the 2 of them together,rabbit summond black corn
PROBLEME SOLVED

You still need to run the normal monsters and Rabbit. Might as well just tech Black Corn or even a Neo Spacian Grand Mole in to deal with the problems you can't normally get over. Or play some normal outs like Smashing Ground.

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

Oh please don t become like those people who said "don t play it because i said so".
I like when i beat my oponent with card that he found lame and outclassed

I never said that either, please stop putting words in my mouth. You can like beating them with a card they find "lame and outclassed", nothing wrong with that but that doesn't take away from the fact that Thunder Giant blatantly sucks, which is what the thread was for discussion about. And the simple fact is, when you have the choice, why run a card if there is another card that does it better?

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

You still need to run the normal monsters and Rabbit. Might as well just tech Black Corn or even a Neo Spacian Grand Mole in to deal with the problems you can't normally get over. Or play some normal outs like Smashing Ground.

K,you don t like it don t play it
PROBLEM SOLVED

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

K,you don t like it don t play it
PROBLEM SOLVED

I don't intend to, there was never a problem.

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

why run a card if there is another card that does it better?

Because i can?

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

Because i can?

Good for you. I can jump off bridges if I want, doesn't make it a good idea. There isn't a legitimate reason to run the worse card when you have access to both (or in this case, the several worse cards compared to the one better one).

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

There isn't a legitimate reason to run the worse card when you have access to both.

Then would you kill me just because i run him?

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

Then would you kill me just because i run him?

What are you reading? No I probably wouldn't kill you for running it. I'm saying you would be running it without good reason which in itself is illogical and questionable.

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

What are you reading? No I probably wouldn't kill you for running it. I'm saying you would be running it without good reason which in itself is illogical and questionable.

Sometime it s that kind of situationnal card you need to win but you don t have in your extra deck
(but i wouldn t run more than one)

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

Sometime it s that kind of situationnal card you need to win but you don t have in your extra deck
(but i wouldn t run more than one)

That is true but it means you also have to run ways to summon it, which is the major problem. This is why Black Corn outclasses it, because you don't need to dedicate the deck space to it. With Thunder Giant you do (unless for some reason you are already running a couple of Sparkman and Clayman).

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

That is true but it means you also have to run ways to summon it, which is the major problem. This is why Black Corn outclasses it, because you don't need to dedicate the deck space to it. With Thunder Giant you do (unless for some reason you are already running a couple of Sparkman and Clayman).

Of course,they are normal hero(and normal hero have a lot of support)

[AcselOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by KIKOSHIN

Of course,they are normal hero(and normal hero have a lot of support)

But you can't really just tech them in since they have no other purpose. This means you need to build a deck dedicated to it and you can't build a deck around a card that is situational and only good in a few scenarios.

[Alice]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

you can't build a deck around a card that is situational and only good in a few scenarios.

Really?
I mean,seriousely?
It s not possible?
Are you sure?

[Animalmad]

I like how KIKOSHIN has made this into a "flaming thread", also i agree black corn is a much better card because it is easier to summon, it doesn't lose as much advantage, it inflicts burn, it sends to the graveyard rather than destroying so bypassing stuff like Gachi Gachi Gantetsu, Maaestroke, Zenmaines etc. its just better

[SousukeSagara]

People still try to argue with Kikoshin? Is not like triying to be intelligent on the F&L forum section?