YO! It's Goku's Yu-Gi-Oh! September 1st 2012 Ban List!

[Muskaline819]

Originally Posted by CardApp

You do realize that to stop yourself from being looped turn one, you have to open with Veiler, right? Using Veiler is a ****ty argument because Effect Veiler stops ******* everything.

Even if I main three Effect Veilers, there is no guarantee I will open with them turn one to stop the Wind-Up loop, while Wind-Ups have a plethora of ways to guarantee they will successfully open turn 1 with the loop.

1, single counter, does not justify the existence of a card. Hell, counters to cards to not justify the existence of broken cards.

You have 3 veilers I have 3 sharks. If I go first we have near the same odds that I have loop/you can stop loop. #durp

[Chaos3600]

Originally Posted by Muskaline819

You have 3 veilers I have 3 sharks. If I go first we have near the same odds that I have loop/you can stop loop. #durp

Unlimit Substitoad and Mass Driver.

After all, you have just as much odds to stop the kill as I have to execute it, right?

[Muskaline819]

Originally Posted by Chaos3600

Unlimit Substitoad and Mass Driver.

After all, you have just as much odds to stop the kill as I have to execute it, right?

First of all that was pure ftk, there's a difference from that ftk and me taking 3-4 cards out of your hand. Yes losing that many cards is USUALLY gg but not always, and if you remember the frog ftk format we had no veiler woulda been alot different if we did. Now to stop a wind-up loop you have x3 veiler x3 crow (losing a card in the process more than likely) and x3 maxx c if you choose so. Quit *******g about the tier 2 deck that doesnt even compare to the consisentcy of rabbit, the power of inzektors, and the explosive power of chaos dragons. Basically what I'm trying to say is QQ less gooby

[Chaos3600]

Originally Posted by Muskaline819

First of all that was pure ftk, there's a difference from that ftk and me taking 3-4 cards out of your hand. Yes losing that many cards is USUALLY gg but not always,

Ah I see, so wind-up loops are fine because there is an off chance that wiping out the hand at no risk to the user isn't going to kill the opponet.

Wait, what?

Originally Posted by Muskaline819

and if you remember the frog ftk format we had no veiler woulda been alot different if we did.

No, it wouldn't have.

It would just make it neccessary to main 3 Effect Veilers in every deck.

Pro-tip: if a format is FORCING people to run the max copies of a counter card that only exists to counter, something is wrong.

Originally Posted by Muskaline819

Now to stop a wind-up loop you have x3 veiler x3 crow (losing a card in the process more than likely) and x3 maxx c if you choose so. Quit *******g about the tier 2 deck that doesnt even compare to the consisentcy of rabbit, the power of inzektors, and the explosive power of chaos dragons. Basically what I'm trying to say is QQ less gooby

Basically, outside of how much I like your pretty stars, you aren't making a whole lot of sense.

You are saying that counters justify stupiditiy in the meta, than go ahead and justify derp by saying there is more derp in the game.


This is really backwards logic.

[Muskaline819]

Originally Posted by Chaos3600

Ah I see, so wind-up loops are fine because there is an off chance that wiping out the hand at no risk to the user isn't going to kill the opponet.

Wait, what?



No, it wouldn't have.

It would just make it neccessary to main 3 Effect Veilers in every deck.

Pro-tip: if a format is FORCING people to run the max copies of a counter card that only exists to counter, something is wrong.



Basically, outside of how much I like your pretty stars, you aren't making a whole lot of sense.

You are saying that counters justify stupiditiy in the meta, than go ahead and justify derp by saying there is more derp in the game.


This is really backwards logic.

I see you're from Ohio would you like to duel this weekend in columbus gooby? I garuntee you wind-ups will suffer the least in september that's my point quit *******g about "omg hand loop" and focus on the real issues. Besides they won't ban hunter I'll bet you my left nut. Limit rat and you make it so you MAY lose 1-2 cards. Just quit being bad bro

[Chaos3600]

Originally Posted by Muskaline819

I see you're from Ohio would you like to duel this weekend in columbus gooby? I garuntee you wind-ups will suffer the least in september that's my point quit *******g about "omg hand loop" and focus on the real issues. Besides they won't ban hunter I'll bet you my left nut. Limit rat and you make it so you MAY lose 1-2 cards. Just quit being bad bro

Ad hominen, flames, no reasoning to support any claim, thinks I don't focus on the "real issues.", etc.

Though its nice to know that there is an Akron in Indiana. I suppose you are of some use.

[Muskaline819]

Originally Posted by Chaos3600

Ad hominen, flames, no reasoning to support any claim, thinks I don't focus on the "real issues.", etc.

Though its nice to know that there is an Akron in Indiana. I suppose you are of some use.

lol some fat wannabe elitist who thinks he's a badass behind a computer screen. Get at me when you start playing this game competively or grow a brain for that matter.#wasteofmytimegooby

[Chaos3600]

Originally Posted by Muskaline819

lol some fat wannabe elitist who thinks he's a badass behind a computer screen. Get at me when you start playing this game competively or grow a brain for that matter.#wasteofmytimegooby

I'm not sure how I'm the wicked buttocks, as you say, when I'm not the one mindlessly flaming other forum users.

The elitist flame came outta left field itself, honestly, givin that you are the one who is constantly flaming people for not having Effect Veiler in the hand at all times.

I think you are suffering from your own hypocrisy, perhaps?

[Son Gokū]

HUGE Update!

Additional Comment:

Come on guys no arguing. This thread is supposed to be fun and we all should be helping each other with the list instead of fighting over it.

To everyone else: Sorry I've been too busy to update this lately, but it's finally here and I'm ready to get going again

Additional Comment:

Bumping to see more opinions on the updated list.

[AFuzzyMuffin]

Originally Posted by Chaos3600

I'm not sure how I'm the wicked buttocks, as you say, when I'm not the one mindlessly flaming other forum users.

The elitist flame came outta left field itself, honestly, givin that you are the one who is constantly flaming people for not having Effect Veiler in the hand at all times.

I think you are suffering from your own hypocrisy, perhaps?

Chaos he had 24 posts he obvious is a newly created account to troll lol why did you fall into that?

As for your thread Goku I think its fine the hit on zenmighty doe take care of the wind up loop I suppose but the people who run the actual abusing Salvage to use the loop still exists. Just hit hunter and the problem is really gone.

[Son Gokū]

Originally Posted by AFuzzyMuffin

Chaos he had 24 posts he obvious is a newly created account to troll lol why did you fall into that?

As for your thread Goku I think its fine the hit on zenmighty doe take care of the wind up loop I suppose but the people who run the actual abusing Salvage to use the loop still exists. Just hit hunter and the problem is really gone.

I don't know yet. I'll wait for more posts.

[Gaspar]

...Salvage in Wind-Ups? Sounds hideous...ly inconsistent. Then again, it can also recycle Shark, so... umm, I do not know.

[DragonsBoomstickRage]

Inzektor Hornet - 1
Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity -1
Rescue Rabbit - 1/2
Tour Guide From the Underworld - 2
Royal Oppression - 1/2
Book of Moon - 2
Skill Drain - 2

if you Do not being back Royal Oppression:
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - 0
Monster Reborn - 0


Just my two cents as to what might somewhat balance the game more.

My main wish is for Konami to get their game straight - release official rulings with examples on their site - not some 3rd pard party site people can edit and argue without a final ruling authority to start start clarifying "Monsters" "Cards" and materials. And if a card is "physically" on the field - how is it not on the field? I still don't understand XYZ summoning and how they bypass so many game mechanics.

[Son Gokū]

Royal Oppression sounds good to me, hehe.

[Legendaryvenom]

Future Fusion would surely have to get banned now!

Can't see them limiting Hornet, as a well played D.D. Crow would be gg inzektors. Hornet maybe @ 2, and Dragonfly @ 2 also.

Things i want un-banned/limited/semi...

Mezuki @ 2

Spore @ 1 <Without glow-up it has to be run in dedicated plant decks

Lonefire Blossom @ 2 <If they don't put Spore @ 1

Dark Magician of Chaos @ 1 < Only if they ban Monster Reborn

Just my Opinion, anyone agree?