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Number 39: Utopia 47 94.00%
Steelswarm Roach 3 6.00%
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:33 PM   #1
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Default Steelswarm Roach or Number 39: Utopia?

Which is the better Rank 4 Xyz monster?
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:33 PM   #2
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Utopia hands down; roach is toilet paper except in dark world and a few other decks.
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Roach is not your average toilet paper.
Seriously, though. Utopia is much better than Roach. Roach is good only against Chaos REDMD.dek or when you are winning against a deck that must Special Summon a lulzy card to sack you with (looking at you, JD and BLS - Envoy)
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Roach is not your average toilet paper.
Seriously, though. Utopia is much better than Roach. Roach is good only against Chaos REDMD.dek or when you are winning against a deck that must Special Summon a lulzy card to sack you with (looking at you, JD and BLS - Envoy)
4-ply toilet paper is still toilet paper.
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:44 PM   #5
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Nobody loves roach i see...
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People do like roach, It's just when it's compared to Utopia there's no competition.
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Old 05-04-2012, 05:06 PM   #7
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No no, I like Roach for the most part. However, his effect is not good anymore. Why does no one run Orient Dragon?
-Cause the only targets he hits is Synchros and synchros see little play now.

For the same type of reasons is also why Roach is bad. Plus, he's so easy to run over.
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Roach is still a bit handy to have, you know, just in case. Problem is that he's almost never useful and should never be considered for the Extra Deck if space is tight.

Utopia, however, is an instant pick for any Rank 4-summoning deck.

A better comparison may be Utopia and Maestroke.
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Utopia is a fantastic card, it lets you stall and beat and can even be used for C39 Utopia Ray.

Not to say Roach is bad, its good in decks that control and its only good against decks that its negation works against. Its really good against synchro decks and as stated above the Red Eyes decks.
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Why invest two monsters into a card that can be taken out with any 1900+ beater.
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This is not even a competition, Utopia is better by leaps and bounds.
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Utopia is amazing, roach is a card who can go from garbage to godly depending on the format, and right now its fairly weak. That said, its a nice luxury to hold on too in case, and its decent in darkworld becouse gates makes it bigger.
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Roach is still a bit handy to have, you know, just in case. Problem is that he's almost never useful and should never be considered for the Extra Deck if space is tight.

Utopia, however, is an instant pick for any Rank 4-summoning deck.

A better comparison may be Utopia and Maestroke.
Maestroke is great until you realize he has a pathetic 1800 ATK and can only flip once if you use his protection effect.
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Utopia is Extra Deck staple in this format. Roach barely makes it out these days. Gotta go with Utopia.
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Utopia is the general pick; Roach will come and go as formats change. If Heiratics/Chaos Dragons start to see more T32 spots, Roach will become a 1-of in most Extra Decks.
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