Why do a lot of people keep saying that super buu is stronger than kid buu?

vegetafan105 · 03-30-2012, 07:27 PM

isn't it supposed to be the other way around? kid buu looks stronger to me in his form than super buu....and do you think mystic gohan could win if the theory above in the title was correct?

Oh and why the hell can't kid buu talk btw?

Super Vegetto · 03-30-2012, 07:34 PM

He looks stronger but this is a fact:
Goku says he cant beat Super buu.

Goku and Vegeta consider Kid buu is midget in powers when he went original form. When he was transforming his power incrised and he becomed Buff buu. Then he started transforming and didnt showed same power like in Buff transformation.
His powers are never stated going down but its realy simple. Its like Super buu ssj2 to Buff buu ssj3 to Kid buu ssj1.

Also Goku was confident in beating Kid buu after fighthing him which proves Super buu > Kid buu.

gogetapotaraZ · 03-30-2012, 07:35 PM

i dont really know, they say that Super buu is the strongest form in the manga but not sure in the anime. i think kid buu is really the strongest.

and i think he CAN talk he said something to goku in one of the episodes when they were both fighting but dont remember what it was its been too long

vegetafan105 · 03-30-2012, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Vegetto

He looks stronger but this is a fact:
Goku says he cant beat Super buu.

Goku and Vegeta consider Kid buu is midget in powers when he went original form. When he was transforming his power incrised and he becomed Buff buu. Then he started transforming and didnt showed same power like in Buff transformation.
His powers are never stated going down but its realy simple. Its like Super buu ssj2 to Buff buu ssj3 to Kid buu ssj1.

Also Goku was confident in beating Kid buu after fighthing him which proves Super buu > Kid buu.

i see your point, but are they referring to Super Buu (no one absorbed) or Super Buu (Gotenks, piccolo, and Gohan absorbed)?

Super Vegetto · 03-30-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gogetapotaraZ

i dont really know, they say that Super buu is the strongest form in the manga but not sure in the anime. i think kid buu is really the strongest.

and i think he CAN talk he said something to goku in one of the episodes when they were both fighting but dont remember what it was its been too long

Anime :

Kid buu > Super buu (Gohan)

Goku ssj3 > Super Vegetto > Mystic Gohan > Gotenks ssj3

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Originally Posted by vegetafan105

i see your point, but are they referring to Super Buu (no one absorbed) or Super Buu (Gotenks, piccolo, and Gohan absorbed)?

Super buu no one absorbed.

gogetapotaraZ · 03-30-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vegetafan105

i see your point, but are they referring to Super Buu (no one absorbed) or Super Buu (Gotenks, piccolo, and Gohan absorbed)?

i dont think you payed attention, he clearly hasn't mentioned Super buu with anyone absorbed, Super Buu alone would terrorize everyone hands down

Hurry My Curry · 03-30-2012, 08:07 PM

Super Boo is clearly stronger. Just read the manga.

Kangal · 03-30-2012, 08:18 PM

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-GT (3000)
ITS FISHI

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witheldforprivacy · 03-30-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by vegetafan105

isn't it supposed to be the other way around? kid buu looks stronger to me in his form than super buu....and do you think mystic gohan could win if the theory above in the title was correct?

Oh and why the hell can't kid buu talk btw?

In that case,Nappa also looks stronger than Vegeta,so Nappa is stronger
than Vegeta.

Mystic Gohan could beat Kid Buu.Goku recommended that they used their
third wish to bring him to Kai planet,but Vegeta refused saying something
like "this is our job"

CatouttaHell · 03-30-2012, 09:12 PM

The OP is a filthy peasant. Everybody knows Evil Boo >>> Pure Boo.

Son Goku doesn't even dare to fight Evil Boo without fusion, yet it is stated that by Vegeta he could beat Pure Boo. Simple as that.

When you consider the fact that SSjin Gotenks (Pre) is stated to be above SSjin 3 Goku, and that Base Gotenks (Post) is heavily implied to be multi-fold HIM, the gap between Evil Boo and Pure Boo is just incomprehensible.

Krueger · 03-30-2012, 09:30 PM

SSjin 3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo >>> SSjin 2 Gotenks (post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (post) >>> Base Gotenks (post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (expected) >> SSjin Gotenks (pre) > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo

'Tis a simple process of deduction.

Hurry My Curry · 03-30-2012, 09:37 PM

I think that ssj3 gotenks is the z fighter who surpassed ssj3 goku besides Mystic Gohan.

witheldforprivacy · 03-30-2012, 09:44 PM

[quote=Krueger;24396855]SSjin 3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo

SSJ3 Gotenks is not that much stronger than Super Buu

CatouttaHell · 03-30-2012, 09:50 PM

The only times Evil Boo had an advantage in the fight was when he caught Gotenks off-guard or used some trick on him.

Gotenks got hit by a mouth blast from Evil Boo and only suffered brief cosmetic damage, nothing more.

Evil Boo got hit by a mouth blast from Gotenks and went crashing to the ground, limp as a noodle.

And for whatever it's worth, Goten and Trunks both said that Gotenks isn't much weaker than Gohan and neither Piccolo nor Gohan contradicted them.

Kangal · 03-30-2012, 09:54 PM

About equal is what the manga states.

Manga also states "Super Buu" is leagues above "Majin Buu" and that Goku is leagues above "Majin Buu" so there can't be a massive gap between the two SS3's.

Let's say 30% is stomp:
SS2 Teen Gohan = 50
Majin SS2 Vegeta = 90
Majin Buu = 100
SS3 Goku = 150
Evil Buu/Good Buu = 60/40
Super Buu = 200
SS3 Gotenks = 200-220

Difference is 33-47% (or 1 to 1.5 leagues)

Krueger · 03-30-2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kangal

About equal is what the manga states.

Manga also states "Super Buu" is leagues above "Majin Buu" and that Goku is leagues above "Majin Buu" so there can't be a massive gap between the two SS3's.

Let's say 30% is stomp:
SS2 Teen Gohan = 50
Majin SS2 Vegeta = 90
Majin Buu = 100
SS3 Goku = 150
Evil Buu/Good Buu = 60/40
Super Buu = 200
SS3 Gotenks = 200-220

Difference is 33-47% (or 1 to 1.5 leagues)

No. For one, Fat Boo was stated to be stronger than Majin Vegeta after he destroyed Dabura, and Goku said they needed to team up to beat him. Then Boo powered up once more and utterly destroyed Vegeta with one attack, forcing Vegeta's self-destruction. Secondly, Good Boo showed himself stronger than SSjin 2 Vegeta with their respective fights against Pure Boo.

Hurry My Curry · 03-31-2012, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kangal

About equal is what the manga states.

Manga also states "Super Buu" is leagues above "Majin Buu" and that Goku is leagues above "Majin Buu" so there can't be a massive gap between the two SS3's.

Let's say 30% is stomp:
SS2 Teen Gohan = 50
Majin SS2 Vegeta = 90
Majin Buu = 100
SS3 Goku = 150
Evil Buu/Good Buu = 60/40
Super Buu = 200
SS3 Gotenks = 200-220

Difference is 33-47% (or 1 to 1.5 leagues)

Oh yes he knows what he is talking about!

MooooooCow · 03-31-2012, 10:47 AM

How many pages this time guys?

Lord Vegeta · 03-31-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MooooooCow

How many pages this time guys?

Once the two Kaioshins weakened Kid Boo through absorption thing kicks in.

Krueger · 03-31-2012, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MooooooCow

How many pages this time guys?

I'm thinking 3 before it derails into something semi-relevant, and then 5-6 before it's nothing like the OP.

SSJRanulf · 03-31-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Krueger

SSjin 3 Gotenks >> Evil Boo >>> SSjin 2 Gotenks (post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (post) >>> Base Gotenks (post) >>> SSjin Gotenks (expected) >> SSjin Gotenks (pre) > SSjin 3 Goku > Pure Boo

'Tis a simple process of deduction.

Yeah, this.

Even if you minimize it to the extreme and use a really small multiplier for Gotenks transformations, you still get SSJ3 Gotenks = Evil Buu > SSJ Gotenks (Post) > Base Gotenks Post > SSJ Gotenks Pre > SSJ3 Goku >= Pure Buu.

I've never been able to get the gap between the Buu's under x3-4 and still be comfortable with it.

DatRattleStinger · 03-31-2012, 03:38 PM

Even if you nerf all three of his transformations combined into a mere 10x boost and attempt to keep the RoSaT boost as low as possible, it's still going to result in at least a 20~30x difference between the two Buu's. No way it's possible for them to be any closer than you could ever get them to be unless you deny every statement in the Buu arc.

SSJRanulf · 03-31-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenshi

Even if you nerf all three of his transformations combined into a mere 10x boost and attempt to keep the RoSaT boost as low as possible, it's still going to result in at least a 20~30x difference between the two Buu's. No way it's possible for them to be any closer than you could ever get them to be unless you deny every statement in the Buu arc.

Base Gotenks (Pre): .73
Fat Buu: .9
SSJ3 Goku: 1
SSJ Gotenks (Pre): 1.095
Base Gotenks (Post): 1.5
SSJ Gotenks (Post): 2.25
SSJ3 Gotenks: 3.38
Evil Buu (Initial): 1.5
-Full Power: 3
Kid Buu: .95-1

Yeah... no actual contradictions with anything in the manga. Everything works with what is stated, and each form of Gotenks beats down 5 of the one before him at once, smiling, so all of his increases are high enough. If you don't like some of the gaps, and increase them by a large amount, the Buus can still fall within x5-x7.5 of each other easily.

DatRattleStinger · 03-31-2012, 03:58 PM

Less than a 2x boost for both the transformations Gotenks used to fight Buu is hardly suggested, man, what with all the claims of him being a beastly tank made by both Gotenks and Son Goku, as well as this chapter title evidently indicating that the SSJ3 boost was no small one.

SSJRanulf · 03-31-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenshi

Less than a 2x boost for both the transformations Gotenks used to fight Buu is hardly suggested, man, what with all the claims of him being a beastly tank made by both Gotenks and Son Goku, as well as this chapter title evidently indicating that the SSJ3 boost was no small one.

This is gonna be one of those to each his own things. I feel that the ability for SSJ Gotenks (Post) to destroy 5 Base Gotenks (post) and 25 SSJ Gotenks (pre) is a huge enough gap, and the ability for SSJ3 Gotenks (Post) to ruin several of his previous form at once is also a large enough gap. Now to you the gap might not be big enough for that kind of ownage, or you might feel an even bigger gap is suggested. That's fine, but personally I'm happy having Gotenks at that level and Shin Buu x3 of SSJ3 Goku is good enough for me.