Jinn's early sept. 2012 wish list

[jinn waltz]

I decided to organize things a little differently this time around so it's easier to understand. Many of the cards in general are also grouped together if they happened to influence each others new position.

Dino-Rabbit

Tour Guide From the Underworld - 1

Inzektor

Inzektor Dragonfly - 1

Wind-up

Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity - 1
Wind-Up Factory - 1

Gravekeepers

Royal Tribute - 1

Lightsworn

Judgment Dragon - 1
Necro Gardna - 3
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner - 3

Six Samurai

Gateway of the Six - 0
Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En - 3
Shien's Smoke Signal - 3

Agents

The Agent of Mystery - Earth - 3
Master Hyperion - 1
Archlord Kristya - 1

Tech Genus

T.G. Striker - 3

Plants

Glow-Up Bulb - 3
Spore - 3
Lonefire Blossom - 2

Laval

Rekindling - 1

General

Dark Armed Dragon - 0
Witch of the Black Forest - 1
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - 0
Premature Burial - 1
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - 0
Primal Seed - 3
Morphing Jar - 0
Magical Stone Excavation - 3
Tsukuyomi - 1
Monster Reborn - 0
Dark Magician of Chaos - 1
Heavy Storm - 0
Torrential Tribute - 1
Future Fusion - 0
Royal Oppression - 1
Sinister Serpent - 1
The Transmigration Prophecy - 3
Tribe-Infecting Virus - 1
Thousand-Eyes Restrict - 1
Magical Scientist - 1
Magician of Faith - 1
Mind Crush - 3

I'll re-think my previous ruling change for now since most people disagreed.

[y2k1]

So basically a plant format

[jinn waltz]

Originally Posted by y2k1

So basically a plant format

Synchro spam was among one of the weakest top tier decks before it was hit. Tengu, and trish was EASILY enough to drop it to the tier 2 category. Both bulb, and Spore's bans were motived by profit rather than balance. I decided to move lonefire to semi-limited because this list is accompanied by the OCG priority change. I don't really see the issue, but if more people people are concerned with the change I'll re-limit lonefire. Don't forget that I limited TGU as well.

Question: Do you think I should list TGU as limited under other decks as well, or remove dino-rabbit from the list and put TGU under general?

[Jarxo]

SO hit Future Fusion....ruin fusions even more :/

DmoC at 1 = YES
You know That if Heavy gets banned Trunade will come back..again .__.
Agent;Earth...2
Monster Reborn can go to 0 since we got 3 CotH
Shien to 2 first.
JD at 2.

[Valafar123]

DMoC & PB:

http://i.imgur.com/h4hWW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DXqN7.jpg

You would honestly be amazed how consistent DMoC and PB are as an FTK engine.

I don't need GC, PoG, PC, DF or EotS to FTK with that deck. They will be banned forever I'm afraid.

TER:

Again, you'd be amazed how good it actually is. Instant Fusion makes it a revivable Brain Control that doesn't give the monster back and locks attacks down.

Plants:

I don't like plants getting power. I'm happy with Lonefire OR Spore, but I don't want the entire engine back together. It's too abusable.

Shi En:

http://thedailyintruder.com/wp-conte...2012/02/no.jpg

Everything else is fine. MoF @ 1 and TIV @ 1 won't hurt much. It's only when I see them both unlimited when I start to facepalm.

[jinn waltz]

Originally Posted by Jarxo

SO hit Future Fusion....ruin fusions even more :/

DmoC at 1 = YES
You know That if Heavy gets banned Trunade will come back..again .__.
Agent;Earth...2
Monster Reborn can go to 0 since we got 3 CotH
Shien to 2 first.
JD at 2.

First, what fusions? It's generally used as a broken grave filler in dragons, and other OTK/FTK decks.

We have other S/T removal options coming to us so i'm not so sure about trunade coming back. Regardless, I would still prefer that over heavy.

The others are whatever. Synchros are kinda 1/3, and JD is just a sack card in my opinion.

[Kotaro]

Can't tell if trolling .____.

[jinn waltz]

Originally Posted by Valafar123

DMoC & PB:

http://i.imgur.com/h4hWW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DXqN7.jpg

You would honestly be amazed how consistent DMoC and PB are as an FTK engine.

I don't need GC, PoG, PC, DF or EotS to FTK with that deck. They will be banned forever I'm afraid.

TER:

Again, you'd be amazed how good it actually is. Instant Fusion makes it a revivable Brain Control that doesn't give the monster back and locks attacks down.

Plants:

I don't like plants getting power. I'm happy with Lonefire OR Spore, but I don't want the entire engine back together. It's too abusable.

Shi En:

http://thedailyintruder.com/wp-conte...2012/02/no.jpg

Everything else is fine. MoF @ 1 and TIV @ 1 won't hurt much. It's only when I see them both unlimited when I start to facepalm.

I would need you to back up your claim with serious testing/ results before I took what you have to say seriously. Most OTK decks are inconsistent, and auto lose when they get met with some resistance. Some DMOC OTK that half kills itself after one combo doesn't really scare me.

Again, I don't really see the issue. Theres a reasonable cost for stealing the opponents monster, and nothing else can attack so it's unlikely that you'll be pushing for serious dmg. I don't mind slowing this game down a bit either which TER has the potential to do.

Perhaps I'll consider re-limiting lonefire then.

Issues with MoF @ 1 and TIV @ 1?

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Kotaro

Can't tell if trolling .____.

Only you *trollface

[BLS-EOTB <3]

Here we go again...

[jinn waltz]

Originally Posted by BLS-EOTB <3

Here we go again...

Whats the problem this time

[Havok]

Why not just ban Hunter and limit Zenmaighty? Wind-Up Factory really isn't a problem if you touch those two careds..

[jinn waltz]

Originally Posted by Havok

Why not just ban Hunter and limit Zenmaighty? Wind-Up Factory really isn't a problem if you touch those two careds..

It seems rather odd to ban a card with such an underwhelming effect don't you think? Personally, I don't really care if they have a hand control combo. Hand control is ok in moderation. What I really care about is their ability to net this advantage while filling their field/ hand up. Zenmaity, and Factory are the easiest ways for wind-ups to do that. By hitting these cards we indirectly stop the excessive hand control, as well as tame the explosive plays.

It's also unfair to ignore factory, while crippling blackwings (the weaker deck)

[Pumpknight]

Originally Posted by jinn waltz

I decided to organize things a little differently this time around so it's easier to understand. Many of the cards in general are also grouped together if they happened to influence each others new position.

Dino-Rabbit

Tour Guide From the Underworld - 1

Inzektor

Inzektor Dragonfly - 1

Wind-up

Wind-Up Carrier Zenmaity - 1
Wind-Up Factory - 1

Gravekeepers

Royal Tribute - 1

Lightsworn

Judgment Dragon - 1
Necro Gardna - 3

Six Samurai

Gateway of the Six - 0
Legendary Six Samurai - Shi En - 3

Agents

The Agent of Mystery - Earth - 3
Master Hyperion - 1
Archlord Kristya - 1

Tech Genus

T.G. Striker - 3

Plants

Glow-Up Bulb - 3
Spore - 3
Lonefire Blossom - 2

Laval

Rekindling - 1

General

Dark Armed Dragon - 0
Witch of the Black Forest - 1
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier - 0
Premature Burial - 1
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning - 0
Primal Seed - 3
Morphing Jar - 0
Magical Stone Excavation - 3
Tsukuyomi - 1
Monster Reborn - 0
Dark Magician of Chaos - 1
Heavy Storm - 0
Torrential Tribute - 1
Future Fusion - 0
Royal Oppression - 1
Sinister Serpent - 1
The Transmigration Prophecy - 3
Tribe-Infecting Virus - 1
Thousand-Eyes Restrict - 1
Magical Scientist - 1
Magician of Faith - 1
Mind Crush - 3

Ruling Change: OCG priority

I'll re-think my previous ruling change for now since most people disagreed.

Plants before Inzektors, Wind-Ups, and Dino Rabbit--> Tier 0

*sees hits on Inzektors, Wind-Ups, and Dino Rabbit*

Good, good.

*sees bulb to 3, Spore to 3, and Lonefore to 2*

So...You've made them stronger than they were last format and you've eliminated their only competition. Another plant format...yay.

[footfoe]

Judgment Dragon - 1

wtf? JD is fine at 3. Put lumina to 3 as well. lightsworns really are not that good. 2 lumina doesn't help them at all.

[Christos24]

OP: care to show Blackwings any love?? Kalut and Gale to 2?

What about GB? Besti to 3 (putting it to 2 would be useless as nobody would ever run more than 2)

[jinn waltz]

Originally Posted by Pumpknight

*sees bulb to 3, Spore to 3, and Lonefore to 2*

So...You've made them stronger than they were last format and you've eliminated their only competition. Another plant format...yay.

So what you're trying to say is +1 lonefire > 1 trish, 1 tengu, 2 TGU, and TCG prio?

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by footfoe

Judgment Dragon - 1

wtf? JD is fine at 3. Put lumina to 3 as well. lightsworns really are not that good. 2 lumina doesn't help them at all.

JD is a sack card, and the summoning condition is a joke. No deck should have that kind of power readably available. The only reason LS, as well as numerous other balanced, but strong decks aren't doing well is because the current tier 1 decks are so strong. Half of the top 32 is made up of 3-4 decks right now. The remainder is a single copy of a bunch of random decks. (tier 1>>>tier 2)

Ya, I'll consider unlimiting her, but lumina is a very powerful card. You would have to be a moron to say it doesn't help them.

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Christos24

OP: care to show Blackwings any love?? Kalut and Gale to 2?

What about GB? Besti to 3 (putting it to 2 would be useless as nobody would ever run more than 2)

I'm not sure. Decks like BW, and GB are a touchy subject for me, because I'm pleased with their current level. To me they really represent what every deck should be. Konami should strive to make archetypes like them. If they did we wouldn't have such a ****ty format.

That being said, I'm trying to bring the game down to their level rather than give them support back. If you go back and look at the list I have created with this thought in mind do you still feel they are still too weak to compete?

I'm not really sure what multiple Bestiari would do for glads. Perhaps if a glad beast player that has experience with them while they had 3 could expand on the idea I wouldn't mind giving it some thought. As for BW, I believe they are getting more support soon so perhaps we should see how that effects them.

[Valafar123]

Originally Posted by jinn waltz

I would need you to back up your claim with serious testing/ results before I took what you have to say seriously. Most OTK decks are inconsistent, and auto lose when they get met with some resistance. Some DMOC OTK that half kills itself after one combo doesn't really scare me.

Again, I don't really see the issue. Theres a reasonable cost for stealing the opponents monster, and nothing else can attack so it's unlikely that you'll be pushing for serious dmg. I don't mind slowing this game down a bit either which TER has the potential to do.

Perhaps I'll consider re-limiting lonefire then.

Issues with MoF @ 1 and TIV @ 1?

Additional Comment:



Only you *trollface

It's an FTK deck.

Junk Collector FTK dominated the OCG format around 2009. It lost most of its consistency with CotLB being limited. Giving it a draw engine like that is too much.

Premature -> Kuraz -> Draw 2

Premature -> DMoC -> recycle draw spell

Hidden Armory/DMoC/MSE -> Premature

DDR -> DMoC -> recycle draw spell

I can use PB about 5 times on my first turn. It's absurdly consistent.

[nukm4]

Originally Posted by Valafar123

DMoC & PB:

http://i.imgur.com/h4hWW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DXqN7.jpg

You would honestly be amazed how consistent DMoC and PB are as an FTK engine.

I don't need GC, PoG, PC, DF or EotS to FTK with that deck. They will be banned forever I'm afraid.

Jussayin', but both of those pictures had DF in them so... Not that I advocate bringing PB and DMoC back together [although I would love to see DMoC back at least for a format].

[Valafar123]

Originally Posted by nukm4

Jussayin', but both of those pictures had DF in them so... Not that I advocate bringing PB and DMoC back together [although I would love to see DMoC back at least for a format].

The DF is irrelevant. I only use it because it is faster than RFTDD. Don't forget Junk Collector can trace traps.

[Chaotic Burn]

Oh my god, this list is pro! It's like Pre-September 2011 all over again!

10/10!! Long live control decks!

[ForbiddenLove]

Konami would never un-ban Premature and Tribe with the Meta in its current state.

[jinn waltz]

Originally Posted by ForbiddenLove

Konami would never un-ban Premature and Tribe with the Meta in its current state.

Elaborate. I'm not sure I know what you mean.

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Chaotic Burn

Oh my god, this list is pro! It's like Pre-September 2011 all over again!

10/10!! Long live control decks!

lol, thx..

Additional Comment:

Originally Posted by Valafar123

It's an FTK deck.

Junk Collector FTK dominated the OCG format around 2009. It lost most of its consistency with CotLB being limited. Giving it a draw engine like that is too much.

Premature -> Kuraz -> Draw 2

Premature -> DMoC -> recycle draw spell

Hidden Armory/DMoC/MSE -> Premature

DDR -> DMoC -> recycle draw spell

I can use PB about 5 times on my first turn. It's absurdly consistent.

Too bad it's an MST target, and the combo will kill you eventually. How are you planning to FTK anyway?

[Jarxo]

Originally Posted by footfoe

Judgment Dragon - 1

wtf? JD is fine at 3. Put lumina to 3 as well. lightsworns really are not that good. 2 lumina doesn't help them at all.

SO you want Lightsworn engine at full power?

[Valafar123]

Originally Posted by jinn waltz

Elaborate. I'm not sure I know what you mean.

Additional Comment:



lol, thx..

Additional Comment:



Too bad it's an MST target, and the combo will kill you eventually. How are you planning to FTK anyway?

Same way as it did in 2009. Instead of Magical Explosion, one can run Blasting the Ruins, which does the same thing more or less.

JC -> Return -> 3x JC -> 3x BtR -> GG

It's something I tested.

[jinn waltz]

Originally Posted by Valafar123

Same way as it did in 2009. Instead of Magical Explosion, one can run Blasting the Ruins, which does the same thing more or less.

JC -> Return -> 3x JC -> 3x BtR -> GG

It's something I tested.

Can you explain the combo in more detail?

how many life points are required to perform all the special summons necessary to OTK?