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Old 01-20-2012, 03:22 PM   #51
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Personally I don't see plants getting hit totally. The plant abusive cards aren't even plant types. Sure Debris might get banned, and Quickdraw Synchron probably will get put down. Sorry Burdo,lol.

I'm pulling for Tour Guide and Rabbit to go to limited. At 3 each they seem broken as broken cat was. We just got Inzectors and they don't seem brokenish, yet.

I also want JD down to 1, I know 2 wasn't all that bad. However its easier to get back than DAD, and at 3 its OTK. At least Hyperion has a cost making an OTK of them harder. Speaking of agents its time they get hit too.
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Old 01-20-2012, 04:04 PM   #52
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Judgment Dragon doesn't need a hit. If it does got one though, Lumina or Charge need to move up. The deck isn't even a remote threat right now.

I'll say it again. Dandylion is the problem.
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There wouldn't be a discussion if Dandy would have been banned like it should have last list. Lightsworn are making no tops so I doubt they will get touched. Also wind ups are gonna get hit in some way by march I'm sure, hunter or zenmaity seem like the obvious choices. Also I'd like to see reborn go
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Old 01-20-2012, 06:17 PM   #54
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i think Dark Hole and reborn need to go quickdraw wont be touched. dandy and Debris Dragon will get pulled also tour guied at 2. rabbit at 1. would keep deck playable. and i think upstart gold ninja and hanzo will see so list soon lol

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Old 01-20-2012, 07:06 PM   #55
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I think Larvae Moth has a better chance of being hit than Quickdraw.
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:01 AM   #56
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I can see both rabbit and tour guide going to one. I can see tengu going to two and Dandy getting banned; I agree with Jerry, they won't ban Quickdraw (at least I highly doubt it).

JD won't be touched, if anything they might put fewer restrictions on LS cards already hit.

They won't touch Glow Up Bulb, decks that use it only run one anyway; if they were to do anything about it, I'd say just reprint it. The more running around allows for more players to use it for whatever reason (a bad player could use it, which prevents the better player from getting the one use of his in the game).

I predict BLS to get rebanned, unfortunately.

What I'm unsure about is if anything banned will come off the list; I'm hoping Temple of the Kings gets removed, just because I can have a lot of fun with that card.

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Old 01-21-2012, 09:38 AM   #57
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No way will temple ever come back. That card is way to broken. Maybe Tsukuyomi. That's about all I could see.
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:54 AM   #58
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I doubt quickdraw goes as far as banned, just not stay at 3. Followed by Tuning which gets him in hand faster, and at a comparable spot on the list. My belief on that is, Drill Warrior is what makes plants what they do right now. Its easier and more reliable than Debris right now.

Dandy may go by unscathed this list as we have macro and DD Crows or the such to keep it undercontrolish. I wish we could rely on being reprinted recently/right before the list well. If we go by that then I think dandy's fate is sealed, per history anyways.

I do agree BLS goes back now that Gold Series 4 sales are irrelevant,lol

Even though everyone is probably right about LS, its still my opinion. I would like more DADs if they leave LS and Agents alone! It would level the field for me . I know it won't happen, well likely happen anyways!
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:27 AM   #59
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Corey ~ "Unfortunately"?! You want BLS to stay? o.O

I don't see Rabbit getting touched. Or Tour Guide. I've wanted Tengu to go to 2 since it started ****** last format.

Dave ~ I see a possibility in Sinister Serpent, considering Treeborn Frog is better in most scenarios.

Josh ~ I think Junk Synchron is a better target 99% of the time.
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Old 01-21-2012, 10:45 AM   #60
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Geoff's predictions

Banned:
Dandylion
Monster Reborn
Sangan
Long Shots: Future Fusion and Foolish Burial

Limited:
Tour Guide
Wind-Up Zenmaighty
Karakuri Komachi OR Burei

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Charge of the Light Brigade
Judgment Dragon
Master Hypersion
Gladiator Beast Bestiari
Formula Synchron

I really don't see any reason to touch Tengu. I don't think BLS will go, it finally gives chaos a boss monster.
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:32 PM   #61
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bls will not get banned lets be real there are some many ways it help you out of a tight spot and can also be stopped. i would love to see Dark Hole reborn and heavy go so we can see skill over lucky top decks in my opinion
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And bls isn't a lucky top deck?

I've popped it off the top for game at least 4 times this format. And I've only played in 4 tourneys........
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There is no need to touch Quickdraw or Tuning. Neither are even played anymore, let alone quick enough to have any sort of real impact on the meta. Rabbit just came out and it's not a big threat in Japan. So I'm not going to get my hopes up on seeing that or Tour Guide going down. Reborn Tengu is one of the least skilled cards in the game. It certainly does not belong at 3 in any format. Especially this one though. The cards that need to go are:

Heavy Storm
Dark Hole
Monster Reborn
Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning
Dandylion
Future Fusion (With the new dragons out, this is actually getting abused more and more. The dragons from the new structure. It's not "broken". It just elevates the game state and creates a little more advantage than what should be allowed.)

I have a lot more thoughts on the list. Saturday nights are the only nights I get to sleep late in the mornings though. So I'm going to bed since I have be up at 2AM Monday morning. A.K.A. I will not be getting much sleep tomorrow night. :-/
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My only problem is with heavy gone that means go first, set 5 win is worse. At least before we had trunade. Otherwise whoever wins the dice roll wins the match. We need a trunade or a storm in the game. Yes they are sacky. But set 5 end is just stupid.
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Corey ~ "Unfortunately"?! You want BLS to stay? o.O

I don't see Rabbit getting touched. Or Tour Guide. I've wanted Tengu to go to 2 since it started ****** last format.

Dave ~ I see a possibility in Sinister Serpent, considering Treeborn Frog is better in most scenarios.

Josh ~ I think Junk Synchron is a better target 99% of the time.
I do want BLS to stay, but knowing Konami, it probably will be rebanned,
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My only problem is with heavy gone that means go first, set 5 win is worse. At least before we had trunade. Otherwise whoever wins the dice roll wins the match. We need a trunade or a storm in the game. Yes they are sacky. But set 5 end is just stupid.
I 100% agree with this
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:24 AM   #67
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I also think heavy needs to stay. I've also thought Sinister Serpent could have come back a year ago and not been a huge problem. The only abuse would be frognarchs being able I play triple windblast or Raigeki Break. I actually just said that to burdo last night. Tengu won't get touched because its not being played in most decks, just plants, which figure to get hit anyway.
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I also think heavy needs to stay. I've also thought Sinister Serpent could have come back a year ago and not been a huge problem. The only abuse would be frognarchs being able I play triple windblast or Raigeki Break. I actually just said that to burdo last night. Tengu won't get touched because its not being played in most decks, just plants, which figure to get hit anyway.
Honestly, if serpent came back? Why would everybody not use it and run triple of those kinds of cards? Sounds to spammable to me. I'd rather see dandy stay over that.

Hope they leave Tengu, otherwise Scraps won't seem competitive. I also could see Heavy and Trunade switch out like with Call and Reborn did for a while.
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I really hope dandy goes, it should have gone last list instead of picking off other cards around it. I could definitely see Tsukuyomi coming back, and Tribute to the Doom needs banning, I mean, the ability to destroy a face up or face down monster is far to broken
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Sinister Serpent's main selling point is that it mitigates card costs, such as Wing Blast or Vortex. Other than that, all it can be is a card you set every turn, which you're dead in the water if that's what you have to use it for.

The only card that would be pretty crazy with it would be Brionac, but if you seriously look at Brio and at Serpent, which one is more ban-worthy?

So to maximize the potential of serpent, you would have to start running discard effects. Point in case, there is a strong argument for serpent returning. Power Creep has really damaged his power. Him and Tsuk.
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Sinister Serpent's main selling point is that it mitigates card costs, such as Wing Blast or Vortex. Other than that, all it can be is a card you set every turn, which you're dead in the water if that's what you have to use it for.

The only card that would be pretty crazy with it would be Brionac, but if you seriously look at Brio and at Serpent, which one is more ban-worthy?

So to maximize the potential of serpent, you would have to start running discard effects. Point in case, there is a strong argument for serpent returning. Power Creep has really damaged his power. Him and Tsuk.
I agree completely with everything you just said. Plus there aren't very many banned cards that aren't stupidly gamebreaking(CED, Cyber Jar, Victory Dragon, Rescue Rabbit, Change of Heart, mass removal cards, and the hand ****** cards) or part of an otk/ftk or gamestate lock(pretty much everything I didn't just list).

My list of incredibly long shot cards that have a greater than 1% chance of coming back EVER: Forceful Sentry, Serpent, Tsukoyumi, Thousand Eyes Restrict, Confiscation, Trunade, Imperial Order, Royal Oppression, Ring of Destruction, Goyo Guardian. If it's not on this list, just forget about it.
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Kevin Tewart stated a long time ago that at some point EVERY card on the banned list would make its way off for at least one more format. Hence why we got BLS-EOB back when it clearly deserved to stay on that list. Serpent coming back wouldn't make people run PWWB or Raigeki Break in 3's. One D.D. Crow on Sinister Serpent and you've just turned your cost free cards in to bad top decks and cards that you might have to give up valuable resources to use. PWWB will be used in 3 again if and ONLY if a deck like PC Monarchs comes back or Tele-DAD where there was a strong effort to get cards to the grave. PWWB wasn't used in Tele-DAD for it's own effect. It was used to be speed up the back bone of the DAD engine and make Dark Armed Dragon a better and more useable early game card.
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Well not every card should come back, that's just a bad idea lol. Anyway sinister would definitely be an interesting card to see around, and btw, it would definitely need a reprint
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He isn't kidding every card is on its way back for one format. Wait till yata, rageki, or harpies come back
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I'm more worried about chaos dragon, yata, Painful Choice Graceful Charity dark worlds ect
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