Eclipse Wyvern

Ultimate Facepalm · 11-20-2011, 11:21 PM

I didn't see a thread on it, so I thought I'd make one. Here's the effect:

Eclipse Wyvern

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If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can banish 1 Level 7 or higher LIGHT or DARK Dragon-Type monster in your Deck. Then, if this card in the Graveyard is banished: You can add the monster banished by this effect to your hand.

Dragon/Light
4 Stars
1600/1000

This card is amazing with Darflare Dragon. Activate Darkflare Dragon's effect to send Eclipse Wyvern to the grave while banishing a dragon with Eclipse's effect. Then, banish Eclipse with Darkflare's effect to add the banished dragon to your hand.

Darkened shadow · 11-20-2011, 11:29 PM

C'mon Konami... if you're gonna release super broken cards for dragons, then share the love! If dragons get, what, 3 or 4 dedicated structure decks, then don't things like arcana force or archfiends deserve one??? (Sorry for the silly deck suggestions, couldn't think of any better long forgotten themes...) Back on topic, this + Pulsar + Darkflare = Tier 1 if not tier 0 (and no, i'm not joking)

Gaspar · 11-20-2011, 11:36 PM

And Dragons have to keep being totally based around Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon. How boring.
brb, teching this to search Judgment Dragon and Malefic Stardust Dragon.

DunnoBro · 11-20-2011, 11:39 PM

Dragons are a little more iconic than arcana, and archfiends...

They're trying to revive red eyes, and bewd decks. I like the concept, i just wish it wasn't so... well i wish they were a little more minimalist.

Ultimate Facepalm · 11-20-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkened shadow

C'mon Konami... if you're gonna release super broken cards for dragons, then share the love! If dragons get, what, 3 or 4 dedicated structure decks, then don't things like arcana force or archfiends deserve one??? (Sorry for the silly deck suggestions, couldn't think of any better long forgotten themes...) Back on topic, this + Pulsar + Darkflare = Tier 1 if not tier 0 (and no, i'm not joking)

I wouldn't call Eclipse Dragon broken. He's just very good support. The problem is that Dragons don't have very many cards that banish from the grave. DAD and the Chaos Dragons are the only ones that are used.

Although Eclipse Dragon does combo very well with Dragon's Mirror.

Gaspar · 11-20-2011, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac52

Dragons are a little more iconic than arcana, and archfiends...

Their dragon fetish is public knowledge, so they do not need to rub it with their 4th Structure...

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Originally Posted by Isaac52

They're trying to revive red eyes, and bewd decks. I like the concept, i just wish it wasn't so... well i wish they were a little more minimalist.

No, they are not trying to revive anything.
They should try to make the deck a little more... not-as-reliant in REDMD as it is now.

DunnoBro · 11-20-2011, 11:54 PM

Didn't you notice red and light pulsar look like BEWD and REBD?

And why bother try going against dragon decks best competitive option for years? Especially when it'd probably end up using it anyway?

As for what they should, and shouldn't be doing... well this is konami, that means nothing to them.

Gaspar · 11-20-2011, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Isaac52

Didn't you notice red and light pulsar look like BEWD and REBD?

Yes, I did... But I thought it was just coincidence... But, they are only lookalikes then, because LPD has both the effects and the stats going for it...

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Originally Posted by Isaac52

And why bother try going against dragon decks best competitive option for years? Especially when it'd probably end up using it anyway?

Wait one moment, I am not against REDMD and I have never said I am against it.

DunnoBro · 11-21-2011, 12:18 AM

You said they should make it not-as-reliant on redmd, i didn't say you were against it... im just explaining why i don't agree why they should of took that route.

And they were designed after bewd and red, i do believe they are retrained versions.

Alinthea · 11-21-2011, 06:33 AM

*Sigh*
I am not looking forward to the MASS amount of people playing these light/darkness decks.

I actually hope BLS is banned or this will be a ***** of a deck.

herbie666 · 11-21-2011, 06:46 AM

Seen this tech'd into a few LS builds.
Mill>Remove JD>Chaos/BLS Food>JD>????>Profit

MystikX · 11-21-2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultimate Facepalm

I didn't see a thread on it

Bull****.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1007294

DunnoBro · 11-21-2011, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Alinthea

*Sigh*
I am not looking forward to the MASS amount of people playing these light/darkness decks.

I actually hope BLS is banned or this will be a ***** of a deck.

I think it will, i believe bls is just a crutch konami made for people to get use to chaos v.2.0 in the form of this deck.

Honestly, I'm pretty upset konami felt the need to remake this deck. It's just so freaking lazy.

"Hey guys, any good ideas for a new deck?"

"Nope, but hey remember that deck which accidently'd the game?"

"Yea...?"

"*smrik*"

Alinthea · 11-21-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaac52

I think it will, i believe bls is just a crutch konami made for people to get use to chaos v.2.0 in the form of this deck.

Honestly, I'm pretty upset konami felt the need to remake this deck. It's just so freaking lazy.

"Hey guys, any good ideas for a new deck?"

"Nope, but hey remember that deck which accidently'd the game?"

"Yea...?"

"*smrik*"

I wouldn't mind too much if they included a new type for the Chaos drive, like, I don't know, Crystal Beasts (lol). But we all know they bum dragons so much it is untrue.

Darkened shadow · 11-21-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Alinthea

*Sigh*
I am not looking forward to the MASS amount of people playing these light/darkness decks.

I actually hope BLS is banned or this will be a ***** of a deck.

Think It already is because if it was just darkflare+pulsar+this, that alone is super abusable, not too mention REDMD being tossed in the mix obviously. Honestly, i'm not so sure that BLS will be tossed into the deck on accounts of being a warrior, but this also means that CED is never coming back again.

DunnoBro · 11-21-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkened shadow

Think It already is because if it was just darkflare+pulsar+this, that alone is super abusable, not too mention REDMD being tossed in the mix obviously. Honestly, i'm not so sure that BLS will be tossed into the deck on accounts of being a warrior, but this also means that CED is never coming back again.

>Deck based completely off of being light and dark
>Won't use bls
>Pojo

Oh, now it makes sense.

Alinthea · 11-21-2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkened shadow

Think It already is because if it was just darkflare+pulsar+this, that alone is super abusable, not too mention REDMD being tossed in the mix obviously. Honestly, i'm not so sure that BLS will be tossed into the deck on accounts of being a warrior, but this also means that CED is never coming back again.

BLS... not... in... twilight... deck?

Sorry, don't know what you mean.

Biribiri · 11-21-2011, 02:21 PM

I hope you don't mean paying the cost dumping Eclipse, and banishing that same Eclipse. The effect of Darkflare has to fully resolve before Eclipse can do anything. Maybe you mean dumping one Eclipse while banishing another.

mikeholland · 11-21-2011, 02:27 PM

chaos dragons... i could see it..

SkaterTrainer · 11-21-2011, 05:11 PM

It's good, but the problem is it involves a lot of removal, which dragons don't really have a way to use well, like Chaos Zone is trash and the only good card we could play is like return.

Good support, without more like it, it's only weird to play with. Still, better than nothing.

smfan879 · 11-21-2011, 06:23 PM

anyone noted the "CAN" (read: optional) yet?

Biribiri · 11-21-2011, 06:48 PM

The current translation says "if," so the optional shouldn't be a problem unless it was mistranslated.

ElectroBlade · 11-21-2011, 06:52 PM

The adding effect also says "can," so if it's removed for a summoning condition...wouldn't it miss the timing? :s

Martiachan · 11-21-2011, 06:55 PM

A inconsistent Dragon searcher which adds on to a already inconsistent deck but opens up broken plays.

Hydreigoon · 11-21-2011, 09:15 PM

I think it still searches even with can. I think it means that it doesn't force you to search, but when used for a Synchro or whatever it doesn't miss the timing. At least, thats what I understand. I never did understand the If and When wordings.