Going first is overrated?

[RCG Returns]

Originally Posted by Zedd

Both players get 6 cards on their first turns... explain this to me like I'm five.

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Turn one, you draw. You now have 6 cards. Opponent has 5. That means you just got a +1

That's pretty much the only way to explain it to a 5 year old. In adult terms, when you draw every turn, you get a free +1. That's the inherent nature of the game itself. In theory, this goes on forever (even though it ends eventually when someone wins). But it's the first person who draws that starts this process. He draws and now has advantage. Yes, the opponent gets to do that on his turn, but the first players gets to do the same after that.

The only thing that matters is in this game is plusses and minuses, and in the simplest of explanations, the first turn is the only time in the entire duel when one player has one more card than the opponent simply because of the rules of the game. The second player will get to draw a card, but he won't have an advantage - just the same amount of cards as the first turn player. All other plusses and minuses from there on will be generated by the players themselves.

[soylentgreen]

Originally Posted by Zedd

Both players get 6 cards on their first turns... explain this to me like I'm five.

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Ok, so both players start at 5 cards. The player who goes first draws a card, he has a net +1 in terms of card presence. Now, the other guy goes and draws. Now the card presence is equal.

Back to the guy who goes first, he draws and has a +1 in presence again. Back and forth, back and forth.

Assuming all of the played cards are neutral in terms of card presence, the player to go first will always, at worst, be on par with the opponent. The player to go second will, at worst, be one card behind.

That means more options for the first player, and more options means a better chance to win.

[Gans Noble]

Originally Posted by meta14

PROS:

• +1 hand advantage for the duel
• set and activate cards without interruptions (bar Veiler)
• summon without interruption

CONS:

• can't attack first

Definitely not overrated. There's a reason people raged when we didn't have Heavy Storm. We get dice roll formats where the first person gets to summon, set 4.

The con isn't even a really strong one. Even if your opening hand has the ability to OTK, you can't see your hand anyway before deciding whether to go first or second.

Always choose to go first.

[Zedd]

Alright, I'll buy it. I'd still say some decks can benefit from seeing the opponent's deck type, and letting them play cards so you can minus/kill them, over the +0.5.

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[imjtblanton]

Originally Posted by DDWhorriorLady

Same here, I play wind-ups and always pick to go second.

Are you joking?

[The_Dark_Monarch]

This thread has got even more sillier since I last posted in it.

All I know is....if you don't mind going second, I don't mind going first.

[david0925]

Originally Posted by mcmillan716

Going first: risk of getting a Heavy Storm / Dark Hole. However you can set your backrows and summon annoying monsters like Thunder King Rai-Oh

because you wouldn't get Heavy Stormed/Dark Hole the turn after when you go second.

Am I being trolled or are people really this stupid?

some decks prefer to go second since they're forced to pass turns until the opponent commits to the field (Hieratics and Tefnuit)

No, they go first. Draw an extra card, and set their backrow or sit back on their hand trap, then proceed to do the same thing you described, except you know, with one more card.

Are you joking?

He's trolling

[darkcrab]

if someone opts to go second, they can enjoy losing.

Thats how ygo is, the ammount of advantage in going first is painfully obvious. Its one of this games many, many, many flaws.

[Omni~Mage]

I can't conceive a situation where you don't want to go first.

If you wanted to throw the match, it would help.....

[TheSonicVision]

Let's see if I can think of any cases where one might prefer to go second...


Sometimes, when you go first with certain Dark World decks, because of cards like Grapha and Dark World Lightning, you find yourself wishing that your opponent had some cards on his side that you could target with your effects, while simultaneously getting your engine in motion. You don't really want to play your field spell, for example, on turn 1, because then it's just a target for removal. Still, with a good build, you'll likely have something to do (i.e. Tour Guide into Zenmaines) and will just sit back and enjoy the temporary +1.

A few formats ago, when Sabers were a common tournament-winning deck, sometimes one would wish the opponent had a few traps f/d already, so you could Cold Wave + Hyunlei them right away. However, the Saber player was always fine with setting a Darksoul, Emmersblade, Hamster or Passhul instead.

That's all I can think of right now. I think the original poster's remark has rubbed many people here the wrong way because the game of Yu-Gi-Oh! involves an element of luck and anytime someone defies the logical way of doing things based on a misconception, it "dilutes" the strength of the playing community and lowers the intellectual acumen of the game.

Still, the guy knows his hiphop. Gotta respect a Mos Def avatar. Blackstar forever.

[treeborn for game?]

No, I think you're the only one.

[99TourGuides]

Going first lets you set 2 backrow and not lose advantage to Heavy

[Otherworlder]

Originally Posted by Zedd

Alright, I'll buy it. I'd still say some decks can benefit from seeing the opponent's deck type, and letting them play cards so you can minus/kill them, over the +0.5.

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First turn I summon TGU, bring out a Sangan. Turn end. What deck am I playing and how will you counter it? Or first turn I rabbit for Laggia, set two backrow, turn end. Oh look, you know exactly what I am playing, how does that help you with your turn exactly? Lol.

[varot93]

Originally Posted by DDWhorriorLady

Same here, I play wind-ups and always pick to go second.

Then your not playing competitive wind ups. Why would you choose to go 2nd when you can possibly loop them and almost always win the game, when there is nothing they can do bar some hand traps?

[Bariosu]

Originally Posted by TheSonicVision

Let's see if I can think of any cases where one might prefer to go second...


Sometimes, when you go first with certain Dark World decks, because of cards like Grapha and Dark World Lightning, you find yourself wishing that your opponent had some cards on his side that you could target with your effects, while simultaneously getting your engine in motion. You don't really want to play your field spell, for example, on turn 1, because then it's just a target for removal. Still, with a good build, you'll likely have something to do (i.e. Tour Guide into Zenmaines) and will just sit back and enjoy the temporary +1.

A few formats ago, when Sabers were a common tournament-winning deck, sometimes one would wish the opponent had a few traps f/d already, so you could Cold Wave + Hyunlei them right away. However, the Saber player was always fine with setting a Darksoul, Emmersblade, Hamster or Passhul instead.

That's all I can think of right now. I think the original poster's remark has rubbed many people here the wrong way because the game of Yu-Gi-Oh! involves an element of luck and anytime someone defies the logical way of doing things based on a misconception, it "dilutes" the strength of the playing community and lowers the intellectual acumen of the game.

Still, the guy knows his hiphop. Gotta respect a Mos Def avatar. Blackstar forever.

Totally this all the way. But unfortunately players will always choose the best route to win since its either that or face a field full of 'backrow'. Now i say it in this sense, because realistically most players don't open up with godly backrow as it's all luck determined. Luck is the the main factor at the end of the day.

If you got a bad hand and lose, then you say you were unlucky.
If you got a good hand and win, then you consider yourself skillful.

I also think everyone always plays in a sense that's deemed the 'pro' or 'acceptable' way of playing. Everyone seems to do the same thing, because it's of course seen the best way to win.

Going first or second should seem irrelevant, but it's the over the top cards and the 'sheep' players that make it absolutely essential that you go first.

[Master_Kowoyoshi]

Your opponent goes first, you VS wind up player, he opens with two level 3s and a Dimesional Fissure, its a good game.

sometimes, I wonder why try and play competitively when decks like WU are just going to do some silly loop before you draw your sixth card.

[Zedd]

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First turn I summon TGU, bring out a <a href="http://yugioh.tcgplayer.com/db/yugioh_single_card.asp?cn=Sangan&partner=POJO" class="hover" rel="http://www.pojo.biz/board/CardHover/hoverYGO.php?CN=Sangan" target="new">Sangan</a>. Turn end. What deck am I playing and how will you counter it? Or first turn I rabbit for Laggia, set two backrow, turn end. Oh look, you know exactly what I am playing, how does that help you with your turn exactly? Lol.

If I'm playing Hieratics or Inzektors, there is nothing I could do against your perfect openers anyways if I went first...

[FNX90BCN]

Banisher of the radiance, set traps and Card Destruction 1st turn= rage quit.

I did this combo quite a few games.