The Official Spider-Man 3 Thread - Part 2 (Spoilers Ahead?)

[SuperGoku01]

I hate the Shocker, he's such a bad villain. I don't even want him mentioned in a Spider-Man movie, let alone being a main villain. If he's one of those villains that gets rounded up at the very beginning of the movie, I don't mind, as long as he isn't a major villain because he truly is a horrible villain. For villains I want the Lizard or the return of Venom, they are much better villains. If not either of them, Kraven the Hunter or the introduction of the Kingpin will do just nicely.

Originally Posted by Yūgi's Black Magician

Venom doesn't need to be in four. His story is up, he tried to kill Peter, he lost his suit, he died trying to get his 'fix'. That's that. Move on. Show the bloody Lizard and more Sandman.

Venom has way more of a chance of returning than the Sandman. Btw, Peter forgave Flint & he went away, that's the end of the line for him. The only way I could see the Sandman returning is if Peter majorly needs help & the Sandman is the only person available to help him. Other than that, it's unlikely for the Sandman to make a return in Spider-Man 4. Although I'd like for either of them to return in Spider-Man 4, Venom has more of a chance of returning than the Sandman.

Originally Posted by Johnny Five

It's funny that Gwen was more fun in the movies than she was in the comics...Bryce Howard must return!!

As for the end of the Goblins, have you forgotten about Hobgoblin?

I want Mary Jane to get killed off in Spider-Man 4 or either for Peter to break up with her for good. I want him to marry Gwen, I've always liked her more than Mary Jane for some reason & plus, I want to see Peter gain a new & more interesting love interest in the movies. If not Gwen, definitely Felicia Hardy/The Black Cat.

As for the Hobgoblin, I meant as far as the Green Goblin trilogy goes, it's over & I doubt we'll see the Hobgoblin in one of these films anyway. If we do, I want him to be done like his ultimate counterpart except instead of it being Harry who gets turned into the Hobgoblin, it'd be someone else.

[~*Occulence*~]

Yeah but didn't Daredevil kill kingpin in his movie?

~*Occulence*~

[Yūgi's Black Magician]

Originally Posted by SuperGoku01

I hate the Shocker, he's such a bad villain. I don't even want him mentioned in a Spider-Man movie, let alone being a main villain. If he's one of those villains that gets rounded up at the very beginning of the movie, I don't mind, as long as he isn't a major villain because he truly is a horrible villain. For villains I want the Lizard or the return of Venom, they are much better villains. If not either of them, Kraven the Hunter or the introduction of the Kingpin will do just nicely.




Venom has way more of a chance of returning than the Sandman. Btw, Peter forgave Flint & he went away, that's the end of the line for him. The only way I could see the Sandman returning is if Peter majorly needs help & the Sandman is the only person available to help him. Other than that, it's unlikely for the Sandman to make a return in Spider-Man 4. Although I'd like for either of them to return in Spider-Man 4, Venom has more of a chance of returning than the Sandman.




I want Mary Jane to get killed off in Spider-Man 4 or either for Peter to break up with her for good. I want him to marry Gwen, I've always liked her more than Mary Jane for some reason & plus, I want to see Peter gain a new & more interesting love interest in the movies. If not Gwen, definitely Felicia Hardy/The Black Cat.

As for the Hobgoblin, I meant as far as the Green Goblin trilogy goes, it's over & I doubt we'll see the Hobgoblin in one of these films anyway. If we do, I want him to be done like his ultimate counterpart except instead of it being Harry who gets turned into the Hobgoblin, it'd be someone else.

Sandman could always strike a deal with the government to be pardoned if he worked for the government or something, then he could at least make money for his kid. Or, he could try gettin' Doctor Connors to help him get cured or something, which would lead to the experiment turning him into the Lizard or something...

[SuperGoku01]

And this is important....why? No, seriously, how is this important or irrelevant?

Originally Posted by ~*Occulence*~

Yeah but didn't Daredevil kill kingpin in his movie?

~*Occulence*~

No, he didn't.

[~*Occulence*~]

Originally Posted by SuperGoku01

And this is important....why? No, seriously, how is this important or irrelevant?




No, he didn't.

Are you talking to me (with the importance thing)? Kingpin is the same for spidey and DD, is he not? I was simply asking if daredevil killed him in the daredevil movie, because, if anything (and if marvel wants to eventually do a crossover), the goings ons in new york would basically affect spidey, dd, and the FF.

~*Occulence*~

[SuperGoku01]

No, I was talking to the other guy I quoted, hence why I quoted him. And like I said, no, Daredevil didn't kill the Kingpin, he let him be taken in by the cops.

[~*Occulence*~]

Originally Posted by SuperGoku01

No, I was talking to the other guy I quoted, hence why I quoted him. And like I said, no, Daredevil didn't kill the Kingpin, he let him be taken in by the cops.

Actually I think you only quoted me.

Well, it's good that king pin isn't dead, we need a head honcho bad guy.

~*Occulence*~

[Kopaka of Ice]

Originally Posted by Yūgi's Black Magician

Sandman could always strike a deal with the government to be pardoned if he worked for the government or something, then he could at least make money for his kid. Or, he could try gettin' Doctor Connors to help him get cured or something, which would lead to the experiment turning him into the Lizard or something...

Wouldn't matter. His daughter is pretty much screwed according to the novel and deleted scene. By the time there was a cure, she'd be dead. That's why they redid a portion of Spider-Man 3.. It would end up being a depressing movie.

As for Venom. He got blown the heck up. You can't do much when your only remains are mere particles (unless you're Sandman). If they want more Venom, give him his own movie along with Carnage. But keep the symbiotes out of Spider-Man! Venom served his vengeful purpose; Carnage has no purpose other than to kill because he has mental problems.

I'm hoping for Lizard and Kraven for 4, myself. The hunter and the hunted with Spidey in between.

Kingpin has legal issues concerning whether or not he'd be in a Spider-Man movie. Sony would have to get his rights from Fox first, I believe. Besides, he's been crippled by a good hard kick to the knees.

Shocker would only really be useful as a side-thug as stated before. Maybe pair him up with Electro or Mysterio or something?

[Yūgi's Black Magician]

Originally Posted by Kopaka of Ice

Wouldn't matter. His daughter is pretty much screwed according to the novel and deleted scene. By the time there was a cure, she'd be dead. That's why they redid a portion of Spider-Man 3.. It would end up being a depressing movie.

As for Venom. He got blown the heck up. You can't do much when your only remains are mere particles (unless you're Sandman). If they want more Venom, give him his own movie along with Carnage. But keep the symbiotes out of Spider-Man! Venom served his vengeful purpose; Carnage has no purpose other than to kill because he has mental problems.

I'm hoping for Lizard and Kraven for 4, myself. The hunter and the hunted with Spidey in between.

Kingpin has legal issues concerning whether or not he'd be in a Spider-Man movie. Sony would have to get his rights from Fox first, I believe. Besides, he's been crippled by a good hard kick to the knees.

Shocker would only really be useful as a side-thug as stated before. Maybe pair him up with Electro or Mysterio or something?

I suppose, but what kind of guy just gives up on trying to save his kid??

[Morzan]

Maybe that piece of symbiote Connors had could be researched, and developed into a cure, like it was in the Ultimate storyline? That way, we don't have to worry about a Carnage appearance, at the very least.

[SuperGoku01]

No, that won't happen. We'll probably get Carnage which is what I'm hoping for. Either that or I want to see Mac Gargan gain control of the symbiote.

Originally Posted by Yūgi's Black Magician

I suppose, but what kind of guy just gives up on trying to save his kid??

He's not saying he'd give up on his kid but he's saying that by the time a cure is found she'd probably die which is true.

[Johnny Five]

Marvel looove symbiotes, so I'd bet that Avi "I von't care vot der directur von'ts, or vot der fanz v'ont, I'll haff vot I vant in, cos I ren Merval not Stan-Lee" Arad'll demand Carnage, whether we want him or not.

Mysterio is long overdue an appearance. He screams movie.

[SuperGoku01]

I hate Mysterio but even if he were the villain, I'd still watch the movie because it's Spider-Man. I really want to see Carnage or the Lizard though. The Lizard is truly overdue for an appearance in a Spider-Man movie.

[Johnny Five]

Originally Posted by SuperGoku01

I hate Mysterio but even if he were the villain, I'd still watch the movie because it's Spider-Man.

So even if it sucked, you'd still spend your hard-earned cash to see it? I bet Avi Arad is really happy with that.

[SuperGoku01]

No, I don't even go to theaters. I'd probably catch the scenes on YouTube & if I like what I see I'll get the DVD.

[Morzan]

Overall, I liked the book ending a lot better. The wife and Penny talking Marko out of killing Spider-Man. The finale flowed better, imo. Any word on a DC?

Did it bother anyone that Marko was Ben's killer, even though Caradine's hassling caused him to pull the trigger? I didn't mind too bad, because these movies borrow from the comics, but ultimately, are Raimi's creations and thereby in a different universe.

Technically, there was no retcon because we didn't see evidence to the contrary in Spidey 1.

[SuperGoku01]

I didn't have a problem with it & I wouldn't mind seeing the Sandman return on Spider-Man 4 to help Spider-Man if he's outnumbered.

[Johnny Five]

Originally Posted by Morzan

Did it bother anyone that Marko was Ben's killer, even though Caradine's hassling caused him to pull the trigger? I didn't mind too bad, because these movies borrow from the comics, but ultimately, are Raimi's creations and thereby in a different universe.

Maybe, but Marko didn't mean to kill Ben, it was a horrible accident. It added to the tragedy of Marko, as well as showing that you shouldn't be quick to judge people if you don't know the full story.

[Morzan]

If Venom weren't there, the parallels between Peter & Harry & Sandman could've been interesting. Harry blames Peter for killing his father without knowing the full story, just as Peter blames Sandman for killing Ben without knowing the full story. Heck, the symbiote might not have even been needed to show Peter going to the dark side and giving in to agression.


You fellas seem a lot more accepting of Ben being killed by Sandman, even though the CJ Caradine was responsible for Sandman pulling the trigger.

[Johnny Five]

Originally Posted by Morzan

If Venom weren't there, the parallels between Peter & Harry & Sandman could've been interesting. Harry blames Peter for killing his father without knowing the full story, just as Peter blames Sandman for killing Ben without knowing the full story. Heck, the symbiote might not have even been needed to show Peter going to the dark side and giving in to agression.


You fellas seem a lot more accepting of Ben being killed by Sandman, even though the CJ Caradine was responsible for Sandman pulling the trigger.

I don't blame Marko.

Yeah, Spidey probably didn't need the symbiote to go off the rails, but Marvel pretty much forced Raimi to put Venom in, as he's very popular, especially with the kids.

[Kopaka of Ice]

Originally Posted by Johnny Five

I don't blame Marko.

Yeah, Spidey probably didn't need the symbiote to go off the rails, but Marvel pretty much forced Raimi to put Venom in, as he's very popular, especially with the kids.

As much as people say that, that's probably just not true. I couldn't see Maguire's Parker/Spider-Man going any farther than just beating Marko around and trying to get him shoved up in jail unless by accident. With the symbiote, you could tell Peter was going blood-lusty with the suit affecting his head. Without the suit, if Peter killed (or thought he killed) Marko, he would have been devastated because that'd be the first REAL time he killed someone by himself. With the suit, Peter just sat there and said "Good riddance" like he got rid of dirt on his shoe or he caught a mouse in an oldschool mouse-trap then went off on his merry way to Aunt May the "good news".

[SuperGoku01]

One thing I noticed is that May probably knows Peter's secret, especially when she asked Peter what happened to Flint Mark after Peter said he was "killed" & he couldn't figure out what to say.