Cirque des Mervailles - The Official Pale Moon Discussion - Thread II

[HerO]

Haha, no worries that's what this thread is for!

[CyberNewType]

Looking forward to trying these out as my second deck come next week. I know they wont be fully powered up until a couple more sets get released, but they're still quite interesting and look like fun.

[gaba409]

Here is my lequir deck:

Grade 3:
4X lequir
3X alice

Grade 2:
3X Barking cerberus
3X Dancing princess
1X big league bear
2X Nitro juggler
2X Peek a boo

Grade 1:

3X Underworld hypnotist
2X Skull juggler
3X purple trampizest
3X midnight Bunny
2X Quantom Magician
2X Jumping grain

Grade 0:
1X girl who crossed the gap
4X critical
4X draw
4X stands (skyhigh)
4X Heal


I was thinking take 1 lequir out and the alices for 2 roberts and 2 invaders
and taking the stands out for criticals thoughts?

[bacon-eater-haxie]

How much would it cost to build a pale moon deck? ()

[Pokefan362]

Hard to say and it also depends on the build you wish to use. I think a Manticore/Tamer build mightbe relatively cheap though since the only holos you need that I can recall are Crimson Beast Tamers, RRs (you may also use Sara if you feel like spending a bit more, she's only an RR as well). And the obligatory PG, but I know you're a budget player so let's ignore that. Alice and Lequier are both RRRs that're not absolutely needed in this deck, and Mirror Demon and Robert are both rather subpar RRs after Set 7.

So yeah, that being said, with Pale Moon also seeming to be a relatively unpopular deck, they shouldn't be very pricey to make at all if you're not using Lequier Swap (which isn't even the best variant post-BT07EN).

[bacon-eater-haxie]

Originally Posted by Pokefan362

Hard to say and it also depends on the build you wish to use. I think a Manticore/Tamer build mightbe relatively cheap though since the only holos you need that I can recall are Crimson Beast Tamers, RRs (you may also use Sara if you feel like spending a bit more, she's only an RR as well). And the obligatory PG, but I know you're a budget player so let's ignore that. Alice and Lequier are both RRRs that're not absolutely needed in this deck, and Mirror Demon and Robert are both rather subpar RRs after Set 7.

So yeah, that being said, with Pale Moon also seeming to be a relatively unpopular deck, they shouldn't be very pricey to make at all if you're not using Lequier Swap (which isn't even the best variant post-BT07EN).

Alright sounds like a good idea to me. Heh, I love that It seems I will no longer need to say I'm a budget player..

[Thylacoleo]

If i want to make a tamer build post-set 7, what should i pick up from set 3? should i get a box?

thanks

[Pokefan362]

From Set 3, most of the stuff you're looking for is C/R (triggers, vanillas, Midnight Bunny, and of course Turquoise Beast Tamer). Actually, Set 7 already has a full set of triggers if you're playing 4 of each and vanillas aren't completely necessary according to most people (I like them a lot though), but hey, why not get them anyways since they're so cheap? Also get Barking Manticore if you don't plan to run Sara (or even if you do) since that's somewhat weak but still a perfectly viable Vanguard. The only holos in this set you really need for Tamers are Crimson Beast Tamer and Underworld Hypnotist; the rest are unnecessary. You see if you want to buy a box or not, but I think Set 3 in general is good enough to warrant doing so.

Additional Comment:

Oh, and if it matters to you, you don't really need Set 7 Pale Moon holos either for Tamers. Unless you're running Sara.

[Thylacoleo]

thanks. I'll probably get a box cuz some people at my locals want OTT stuff. That stuff seems too be mostly in my budget, hopefully underworld hypnotist isn't too pricey though

[Pokefan362]

Well they'll all probably be somewhat pricey on release, but since you don't need them immediately they might settle down more by the time you do need them. Underworld Hypnotist is almost certainly going to be the priciest piece though.

[HyperdimensionNept]

Grade 3:
3X lequir
4X Barking Manticore

Grade 2:
4x Crimson Beast Tamer
3X Barking Cerebus
4X Nitro juggler

Grade 1:

4X Underworld hypnotist
4X Skull juggler
3X Purple Trapizest
4X Turquoise Beast Tamer


Grade 0:
1X girl who crossed the gap
8X critical
4X draw
4X Heal


After thinking for a long time I've come up with this decklist. The deck focuses on getting Crimson Beast Tamer into soul by either riding or later on with Purple Trapezist or Barking Manticore. The deck focuses on hitting decent numbers with Turquiose behind either Manticore with Crimson in soul to hit 22k or Lequier after using the ability to hit for a possible 31k. I'm thinking of replacing Barking Cerberus with Jumping Jills but without Crimson in soul I'm running 12 6k boosters which worries me.

Now that I think about it, this is just a tamer build with Lequiers.....

[Pokefan362]

...You're using a Tamer build, and you're using Set 7 cards, so why aren't you using Dark Night Dance Queen? Makes Crimson Beast Tamer that much more consistent. And that's just for starters. Also, you're using BT03, BT07, and EB01? That seems quite odd. Only BT03 and BT07 are about to be released internationally, but if you're playing according to the Japanese game, you should have access to Set 5 as well.

[HyperdimensionNept]

I didn't feel like I would have enough counterblast for Lequier. I'll test out with DNDQ though.

[HerO]

Tamer and Lequier are no good together imo

[Pokefan362]

And Lequier isn't good with Barking Manticore either. Really, Lequier just has no place in a Tamer-oriented deck. Again and again, I insist that she needs a deck built around her to work. And I still don't get why your lineup's so weird, using BT03, BT07, and EB01, but not BT05.

[HyperdimensionNept]

Yea...I kind of had that feeling too when I put it together...

Originally Posted by Pokefan362

And Lequier isn't good with Barking Manticore either. Really, Lequier just has no place in a Tamer-oriented deck. Again and again, I insist that she needs a deck built around her to work. And I still don't get why your lineup's so weird, using BT03, BT07, and EB01, but not BT05.

It's not like I was avoiding BT05. That set only had 4 pale moon cards anyway. I didn't realize Nitro Juggler was EB01, sorry.

[Pokefan362]

Well, I'll just assume you're playing the deck in Japanese, so if you're going to use Lequier at least use Sky-High Walkers. But for Tamers, I just wouldn't recommend it. I feel that the best lineup for Tamers uses 4 Midnight Invader/Dark King of the Pale Moon. They hit 21k with Turquoise behind them and are the only ways for the deck to make big RG columns. You could use Alice and run Stands though...but that, I feel, may be reducing Turquoise Beast Tamer's usefulness by a lil bit. I really don't know, but Alice doesn't seem to work too well here.

[HyperdimensionNept]

I'm not playing Japanese, I'm just trying to figure out how I want to build PM with BT03 and BT07.

I initially wanted a more Alice/Midnight Bunny oriented build with Sara as the VG but it felt somewhat clunky...I never felt like I had what I needed in soul...

[Pokefan362]

But you were using EB01 cards in the build you just posted! Which isn't out in English nor has a release scheduled.

I also used to play an Alice/Midnight Bunny build (which is actually just Midnight Invaders replaced with Alice) with Sara, but yeah, I found it quite troublesome to be able to set up the Soul properly and thus inferior to the build that did use Midnight Invader. It might've helped me to take out Crimson Beast Tamers. Or if I had more Stands to work with than just 4.

[HyperdimensionNept]

Originally Posted by Pokefan362

But you were using EB01 cards in the build you just posted! Which isn't out in English nor has a release scheduled.

I also used to play an Alice/Midnight Bunny build (which is actually just Midnight Invaders replaced with Alice) with Sara, but yeah, I found it quite troublesome to be able to set up the Soul properly and thus inferior to the build that did use Midnight Invader. It might've helped me to take out Crimson Beast Tamers. Or if I had more Stands to work with than just 4.

Yea, I messed up the sets really bad.

The thing with Midnight Invaders/Sara is that it makes the deck kind of feel like an autopilot Nova Grappler deck where you duck into the soul and come back out instead of standing.

[Sheentaku]

I have to disagree, Tamer works well in any build. They dont cost counterblast and if you ride one grade 2 its all.
Add to the fact are grade 2 line up is not the best so i dont see why we shouldnt run her and turquoise

[3XXXDDD]

Originally Posted by Sheentaku

I have to disagree, Tamer works well in any build. They dont cost counterblast and if you ride one grade 2 its all.
Add to the fact are grade 2 line up is not the best so i dont see why we shouldnt run her and turquoise

Except Quantum Ghosts.dek (Peek-A-Boo).

[CyberNewType]

Since I'm pretty new to Vanguard, I got a question about the swapping.

During battle, when I swap with something like Midnight bunny that's in my back row, when I call the new unit from soul to rear guard, does it have to go to that open spot in back row, or can I retire something that already attacked in the front row to place it?

Not sure on the rules on that kind of stuff mid battle phase.

[3XXXDDD]

You can retire something to summon it.

However if it was a Bunny and you have a Purple Trapezist in soul, it is much advised that you call it to the Open [R].

[Thylacoleo]

even though i am probably going to make a tamer build, what do peek-a-boo builds look like? they sound interesting

thanks