Dark World, IDEAS!

[Coheed935]

Hey Pojo, this is my first post, glad to be around.
So I recently hopped back into Yu-Gi-Oh, after not playing
for like 7 years(also never played seriously).
I made a Gishki deck and this week a Dark World deck.
My deck list so far is pretty staple and it's pretty successful.

I have an idea though, what do you guys think about running
an Appropriate or 2?!?!? 3x Dark Bribe, 3x Dark World Dealings,
1x Morphing Jar, 1x Card of destruction. Each time they would draw a card
I would get +2, plus the cards original effect.
Appropriate could Add some SERIOUS draw power!
Has anyone tested this? Or have a similar idea?

[S7Kid]

I've seen DW Decks using Appropiate (And most of them, cheating all the way).
x3 Reckless, x3 DW Dealings, x3 Upstart + x3 Gates, x3 Dragged Down into the Grave. That's all the draw power you need. Using Foolish Burial and Snow among those ones will make your deck fast enough. And you could run 1 or 2 Tour Guides also.

As for Morphing Jar, yeah it's good, but your opp will also draw 5 cards and unless your deck is an Empty Jar or something, you really don't want to happen in the current meta. Same for Dark Bribe, personally I wouldn't run it, but you'd be able to negate those comeback-spell/traps.
And Card Destruction is a must in DW Decks.

[Coheed935]

Okay I'll ditch the Appropriate, and maybe try a Forced Requsition.
Also I see you recommended Upstart Goblin, I like my 3 Reckless Greed's and I've wondered why people use Goblin. Why not just use Jar of Greed and not give them life points.
Sorry if that's a noob question but I just don't get it!

[S7Kid]

The thing about using Upstart Goblin is that you speed up your deck during your turn, when you can play all your cards. You don't mind the 1000 LP you give him because you deal 3000 LP per Grapha.
Jar of Greed is like... Set, didn't get the draw in my turn so I pretty much lose my turn and during yours, I get the draw.

[Acid Rain Ninja]

i tried the Appropriate idea. its not so great because it causes cloggy hands which is terrible for dragged down and makes ur s/t zone cloggy

[AcselOfDarkness]

A friend of mine tried Appropriate. He was also using Dark Bribe and some of the other Dark Worlds like Gren, etc. The deck was horribly inconsistent and rarely got any draws off Appropriate unless it was used at the exact right moment.

[Coheed935]

I guess my next question would be. Should I drop the Reckless for Upstarts?
Also, I'll post my deck list soon. Maybe you guys can recommend a few fixes.

[S7Kid]

No, you should definitely run both Upstart AND Reckless.

EDIT: Here:

http://yugidojo.com/michael-balan-20...k-list-review/

Though I wouldn't run Allure nor the Malefic Stardust.

[AcselOfDarkness]

If you have room, run both. Many decks can't mitigate the no draws for 2 turns but Dark Worlds can. Even if they have no draw cards, Grapha can keep coming back to put pressure on the opponent.

[Coheed935]

Deck list!
Monsters: 22
3x Broww, Huntsman
3x Silva, Warlord
3x Grapha, Dragonlord
3x Fabled Raven
3x Snoww, Unlight
2x Beiige, Vanguard
1x Brron, Mad King
1x Morphing Jar
1x Trance Archfiend
1x Darkness Neosphere
1x Tour Guide

Spells: 13
3x Dark Workd Dealings
3x The Gates of Dark World
2x Dark World Lightning
1x Foolish Burial
1x Monster Reborn
1x Pot of Duality
1x Heavy Storm
1x Card Destruction

Traps: 9
3x Reckless Greed
1x Morror Force
1x Starlight Road
1x Fiendish Chain
1x Solemn Judgment
1x Dark Bribe
1x Jar of Greed

[S7Kid]

Whoa, that's just too many monsters.

-3 Silva
-3 Fabled Raven
-1 Brron
-1 Morphing Jar
-1 Darkness Neosphere
-2 Dark World Lightning
-1 Jar of Greed

+1 Tour Guide
+3 Dragged Down into the Grave
+3 Upstart Goblin
+2 Mind Crush
+1 Skill Drain

Try that out and save one Fabled Raven for the Side Deck.


EDIT: Wait a sec... You're building the deck in the Traditional format? Or you just misplaced the thread?

[AcselOfDarkness]

I think we can assume it was misplaced. I was going to comment on that before and completely forgot.

[Coheed935]

1stly sorry if I put this thread in the wrong area.
Made an account yesterday and have only been on the site a few days.

But I can see taking out the Darkness Neosphere and Bronn, but the Ravens and Silvas? Silvas are easy summons ESPECIALLY with the Ravens.
Sometimes I'll Raven, discard a Silva from Ravens affect, making Raven 3 Star and special summoning Silva to make an instant 8 Star synchro (usually Stardust Dragon)
Have you ever tried Ravens in this deck type?

Also, I only have 1 Tour Guide.

P.S. Thank you everyone for your input so far.

[AcselOfDarkness]

As wonderful as Raven is, the purpose of Dark World isn't to use up your hand. Look at it this way. Dealings, Card Destruction etc, are usually -1 but Dark World decks change that. Say you discard 3 with Card Des and for the sake of arguments, lets say it was 3 Snoww. You now get to draw 3 and then get 3 searches. You had 4 cards when you played Card Des and now you have 6.

Now use a Scenario with Raven. You don't get a draw out of the cards you discarded so you are breaking even on most of them (either getting a search, draw, destruction or a monster to the field). It is good for discarding but ironically, the deck doesn't want to discard, you want to discard in a way that nets you advantage. Raven doesn't really do that, it just gives you a discard. Trance Archfiend is the usual choice as an individual discarder.

[Coheed935]

I completely understand what your saying! Though i've been winning most of my games, BUT I do find that when I use Raven to swarm the field and discard, i find myself with an empty hand afterwards. Even though I usually finish the game after I Raven everything (I usually have a Judgment or Starlight down for backup) it still sucks having an empty hand. I'm going to run 1 Raven, 2 Trance. Any other suggestions or tips?

[AcselOfDarkness]

That's the thing. If you don't win, you have no resources. Dark World are good at beating the opponent by grinding them down.

No major suggestions that haven't been suggested. Have you thought about using the Virus cards? (Deck Devastation Virus and Eradicator Epidemic Virus)

[Coheed935]

Actually I did today! I ran Deck Devastation Virus against my friends Inzektors and it was extremely effective, he had to drop The Calculator, Blast Sphere and 2 Inzektor guys. And as he was losing draws I was Grapha'ing his face off.

Additional Comment:

I also ditched the Dark World Lightning x2 and Dark Bribe.
Replaced it with 2 more Jar of Greed, and Solidarity! Which is extremely effective.

Additional Comment:

What would you suggest as side deck cards?

[AcselOfDarkness]

It is a nice card to have but who runs The Calculator and Blast Sphere in Inzektors? If you build a virus variant, Deck Dev and Erad Epic are very powerful and can single-handedly (Deck Dev in particular) shut down entire decks.

What does the deck look like now? It seems to have gone through quite a few changes.

For the Side deck, put in answers to your problems. Basically, what things are a problem for Dark World? Macro Cosmos and Shadow Imprisoning Mirror are both problems, so you could add some backrow hate to your side. Against Dragons, you could side Electric Virus. Just look for what your deck is weak against and put in cards to counteract that.

[S7Kid]

I agree with Acsel. The most important thing you should add in your Side Deck, are 3 Mystical Space Typhoons, and of course, the Eradicator Epidemic Virus. Shadow Imprisoning Mirror negates all your effects and even when you can still summon Grapha with his own effect, you lose all of your cards.
Macro Cosmos or D. Fissure are Side Deck cards, that locks you in every single way. That's why Epidemic and Mystical can become really helpful in this situation. If you get the chance the summon Grapha or Silva/Goldd (With the field) and you have Epidemic in hand, don't hesitate and use it. You can always get those monsters back in the field, and they' can't D. Fissure for the other 2 turns (And the current one), and by that time with the draw power the Dark World provides, you've already draw at least one MST.

[AcselOfDarkness]

You don't always have to use your viruses immediately though. They can be great bait cards, wait until the get targeted by MST or if your monster gets hit with something like Dark Hole. If you chain the virus to something you can make your opponent waste more cards. It takes skill to use it at exactly the right time though, too late and it might not work.

[S7Kid]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

You don't always have to use your viruses immediately though. They can be great bait cards, wait until the get targeted by MST or if your monster gets hit with something like Dark Hole. If you chain the virus to something you can make your opponent waste more cards. It takes skill to use it at exactly the right time though, too late and it might not work.

I usually use the Epidemic for Traps, so I can get the OTK immediately. Perhaps the timing to use it for Spells is the same as the DDV, wait until it gets destroyed or when you know they have something that would bug you ( Rescue Rabbit or D.D. Crow for DDV).

[AcselOfDarkness]

I go for what seems most problematic at the time. If my opponent has a load of backrow then Traps is usually the way I go. Spells tend to be more dangerous though so if they have a decent hand, I'll go Spells.

[S7Kid]

Originally Posted by AcselOfDarkness

I go for what seems most problematic at the time. If my opponent has a load of backrow then Traps is usually the way I go. Spells tend to be more dangerous though so if they have a decent hand, I'll go Spells.

I don't know why, but I seem to face a lot of times against Stralight Road. I prefer just call for traps, Heavy and OTK them. Of course that, this works for me since I spam the Grapha. But yeah, what you call depends on the moment.

[Coheed935]

Never realize Deck Devastation Virus could chain, wow.
Thanks again for the input. I'll be posting my new, slightly changed deck list tonight after the local card shop tournament.

Additional Comment:

Never realize Deck Devastation Virus could chain, wow.
Thanks again for the input. I'll be posting my new, slightly changed deck list tonight after the local card shop tournament.

[S7Kid]

That's why it's so good, it dashes the Bottomless and you can chain it when the monster you'll tribute will die anyway. Same for Eradicator.