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06-01-2012, 10:38 AM
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I need to obtain that card!
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Pinkie Pie can Die!
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06-01-2012, 10:40 AM
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Radical Extremist
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Originally Posted by Sk_the_Defiant
I need to obtain that card!
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Its a 10 cent common in Stardust Overdrive, if you didn't read the auto-tag.
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06-01-2012, 10:43 AM
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06-01-2012, 10:46 AM
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Radical Extremist
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GET ALL THE WOLF IN SHEEP CLOTHING
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I think I have a couple sitting in my box-o-jank commons I keep around the apartment somewhere.
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06-01-2012, 10:53 AM
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I think I have a couple sitting in my box-o-jank commons I keep around the apartment somewhere.
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06-01-2012, 12:29 PM
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Back to topic... The main issue with DAD would have to be Eclipse Wyvern. It pretty much searches out DAD, similar to Witch (with the added layer of having to banish it from the grave first.) This is easily accomplished in Chaos Dragons, which run 7-8 inherent summons that banish from the graveyard.
Also, Future Fusion is the root cause of everything. It can "search" up to 3 dragons from your deck to be added to your hand when you banish the Eclipse Wyvern, while also thinning your deck of 5 cards and setting up the graveyard for future plays.
If you couldn't search for DAD with Wyvern/Future Fusion combos, nobody would be complaining "AS MUCH". You have to have EXACTLY 3 Dark's in the grave, so it can be a dead card early game and late game. Unless your deck is able to manipulate the graveyard efficiently.
I would BAN Future Fusion first. If there are still problems, then we can look at banning DAD.
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06-01-2012, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dark Creator 1
If you couldn't search for DAD with Wyvern/ Future Fusion combos, nobody would be complaining "AS MUCH". You have to have EXACTLY 3 Dark's in the grave, so it can be a dead card early game and late game. Unless your deck is able to manipulate the graveyard efficiently.
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I'll take it that you haven't studied the role of Dark Armed Dragon in Yugioh in the past. . . 4 years, I believe.
Exactly 3 DARK's seems like a tough condition until one realizes that DARKs can manipulate the grave infinitly better than any other attribute (well, WATER is getting better, but that's not the point). Its not a matter of "if your deck is able to manipulate the graveyard efficiently", as DARKs by nature manipulate the grave.
Where Dark Armed Dragon also gets into trouble is the fact that he becomes a giant swing of advantage at no real risk to the user. This has been slightly mitigated since the OSIE ruling, but it still exists nonetheless; you aren't going to lose for misplaying Dark Armed Dragon in most circumstances. Remember, this is a monster with no real cost to come out, 2800 ATK, and the potential to hit at least 3 cards right off the bat. Its a card that has either had entire formats based around, been the ace card of other decks in other formats, or just kinda observes until some deck with DARKs becomes of use.
The role he has in Chaos Dragons is just the most recent role he has played; and I guarentee it won't be his last if he is left legal and Konami decides to butcher Chaos Dragons.dek (which I hope they due; it has a lot of **** that I have advocated for being banned for years).
Future Fusion should be banned, you are right; Dark Armed Dragon should go with it.
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06-01-2012, 12:42 PM
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If you take Chaos Dragon out of the equation, is DAD really causing trouble in any other deck?
Of Course it can be easily splashed into anything, but, still, it's been like that for years.
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06-01-2012, 12:47 PM
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Radical Extremist
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Originally Posted by N.Nick
If you take Chaos Dragon out of the equation, is DAD really causing trouble in any other deck?
Of Course it can be easily splashed into anything, but, still, it's been like that for years.
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Yes, and that's a problem in of itself.
Unless Konami decides to more or less mutilate the DARK attribute, their isn't going to be a time when Dark Armed Dragon becomes obsolete. Thier might be a chunk of a format where he is just kinda lying in reserve, but metagames Shift often enough even within a format, and its only a matter of time before Dark Armed Dragon becomes a momentum swinger for whatever deck that uses a fair number of DARKs becomes avaliable.
Its a card that plays many roles, but never a good one, and a card that either defines a format or contributes to the overall sackiness and derp.
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06-02-2012, 01:10 PM
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Meh. It's not that busted. It's only at one, and you have to set him up first. I think chaos dragons need a hit on red eyes first. And he isn't even that good in Inzektors. There are bigger problems. And he isn't even a problem.
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06-02-2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Grapha
Meh. It's not that busted. It's only at one, and you have to set him up first. I think chaos dragons need a hit on red eyes first. And he isn't even that good in Inzektors. There are bigger problems. And he isn't even a problem.
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He's bad card design. Needs to go.
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06-02-2012, 01:28 PM
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Tried to find the like button...so much fail.
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I know me too.. I laughed way too much IRL
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I bring Febreze to YGO events. Cause if I'm gonna be in a room with a bunch of smelly dudes, I can at least smell roses.
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06-02-2012, 02:21 PM
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I'm glad that the fate of the banlist isn't left up to people like Chaos3600, or Mido, or Shokwav since it seems that any halfway decent or powerful card is "bad card desgin" and needs to be banned. If it were left up to you guys we probably wouldn't even have a game....too much would be broken....everything would be banned.
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06-02-2012, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrel Dragon_080
I'm glad that the fate of the banlist isn't left up to people like Chaos3600, or Mido, or Shokwav since it seems that any halfway decent or powerful card is "bad card design" and needs to be banned. If it were left up to you guys we probably wouldn't even have a game....too much would be broken....everything would be banned.
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06-02-2012, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrel Dragon_080
I'm glad that the fate of the banlist isn't left up to people like Chaos3600, or Mido, or Shokwav since it seems that any halfway decent or powerful card is "bad card desgin" and needs to be banned. If it were left up to you guys we probably wouldn't even have a game....too much would be broken....everything would be banned.
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You mean that the monster that single handedly defined what was to many players known as the worst format in history and has gone down as one of the most overpowered and broken monsters to ever be created is only "halfway decent"?
Dear god. I've lost all hope for this subforum yet again.
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06-02-2012, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrel Dragon_080
I'm glad that the fate of the banlist isn't left up to people like Chaos3600, or Mido, or Shokwav since it seems that any halfway decent or powerful card is "bad card desgin" and needs to be banned. If it were left up to you guys we probably wouldn't even have a game....too much would be broken....everything would be banned.
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Quoted for truth.
While I admit this card is borderline on the banworthy scale, it's entirely possible for it to be a dead card, and at 1... it just isn't a large issue anyway. I'd might care if Witch of the Black Forest was unbanned, but it ain't.
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06-02-2012, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Barrel Dragon_080
I'm glad that the fate of the banlist isn't left up to people like Chaos3600, or Mido, or Shokwav since it seems that any halfway decent or powerful card is "bad card desgin" and needs to be banned. If it were left up to you guys we probably wouldn't even have a game....too much would be broken....everything would be banned.
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Pot of Duality is not bad card design.
Cards from the Sky is not bad card design.
Hmph.
What good does Dark Armed Dragon bring to the game? The Dark attribute has a lot of good stuff going for it. Most of which will not see play anymore (if it ever did) due to Dark Armed Dragon being excessively powerful and trumping all of them.
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The most common element in the universe is hydrogen. The second most common element in the universe is stupidity.
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06-02-2012, 03:11 PM
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Dear god. I've lost all hope for this subforum yet again.
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06-03-2012, 09:20 PM
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The thought is mutual.
Because I was legitimately asking for FIRE support that could thrive without Rekindling. That was sarcasm. Learn it. |
It's possible that some FIRE stall/burn deck could survive w/o Rekindling. And I'm testing a kind of Gemeni-based build using Red Lotus Knight (or something similar to that) and it doesn't use Rekindling, but I don't know how powerful that is in competetive play. I'm sure it can be done, but it's hard to do… |
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06-03-2012, 09:25 PM
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The card you thought is Knight of the Red Lotus. And Fire decks can be interesting when they are not lolRekindlingintotripleSynchro/ShootingQuasarDragon.dek. Or they would be if the best thing to do with them were not a bizarre Anti-Meta deck using Volcanics and other Pyros.
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I solemnly swear that the day Konami releases Gangarida as a real card, I will tap dance my way to work.
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The most common element in the universe is hydrogen. The second most common element in the universe is stupidity.
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06-03-2012, 09:59 PM
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You're too kind.
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Mido is that picture from what I think it is?
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wait what
Hootcake banishes the monster as a cost. If gaios or veiler or fiendish negates you then you will not be able to try again
just please stop posting Fuzzy, this is solid evidence that you have no idea how to actually play the game.
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06-04-2012, 01:37 AM
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From what I unerstand the biggest problem with this card is how easily it can be yanked out and summoned with a combination of eclipse wyvern and Future Fusion. Future Fusion bones you again.
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06-04-2012, 02:01 AM
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I think Dark Armed is brokes as much as the next guy, but since when the hell were Inzektors still playing him??
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06-04-2012, 02:04 PM
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Radical Extremist
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Originally Posted by Barrel Dragon_080
I'm glad that the fate of the banlist isn't left up to people like Chaos3600, or Mido, or Shokwav since it seems that any halfway decent or powerful card is "bad card desgin" and needs to be banned. If it were left up to you guys we probably wouldn't even have a game....too much would be broken....everything would be banned.
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Sounds like you have stumbled on the slippery slope fallacy.
There are numerous great cards that should never be banned. I can come up with a solid list if you want one.
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