Cardslinger's September list

[cardslinger]

Banned:
Wind-Up Hunter
Future Fusion
Monster Reborn
Mind Control

Limited:
Inzektor Dragonfly
Tour Guide From the Underworld
Rekindling (see OCG lavals)
Evolzar Laggia
Dark Magician of Chaos

Semi-Limited:
Blackwing - Gale the Whirlwind
Rescue Rabbit
Book of Moon

Unlimited:
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
The Agent of Mystery - Earth

[Chaos Pancake]

DMOC will make the upcoming archetype Book of spells broken as one of its members can tribute itself to summon a level 6 or higher Spellcaster-type from the deck. They also have their own Premature Burial although it has a Spore like cost.

All other decisions are arguable. Also yes please let me have my earth's back ^_^

[nukm4]

Earth moved up but not Striker?

[Katsuta]

Haha awesome. This would make Samurai undisputed champion of the format.

[nukm4]

Originally Posted by Katsuta

Haha awesome. This would make Samurai undisputed champion of the format.

Haha no. That would be Chaos Dragons and maybe HEROs.

[cardslinger]

Originally Posted by 22james22

DMOC will make the upcoming archetype Book of spells broken as one of its members can tribute itself to tribute a level 6 or higher Spellcaster-type from the deck. They also have their own Premature Burial although it has a Spore like cost.

All other decisions are arguable. Also yes please let me have my earth's back ^_^

There are a number of factors to why I think DMOC will come back to 1.

1. It would make the book of spell archetype playable. As they are currently, they are rather lackluster. The deck is pretty much just asking for DMOC.

2. Battle Pack reprint: with a TGU limit, it would need another selling point

Originally Posted by nukm4

Haha no. That would be Chaos Dragons and maybe HEROs.

Future Fusion is banned under this list. Chaos Dragons would still be a great deck, but they would be balanced, along with heros.

Originally Posted by nukm4

Earth moved up but not Striker?

T.G. Drain decks are still a nice underdog deck in the format to play with. Agents however cannot even function with earth at 1. Trishula is still banned under this list, so I see no reason to keep Earth at 1.

[Kaikanphase]

Except by DMoC and Book of Moon your list is good.

[Estelle]

I... don't think current Books of Spell is lackluster in the least. And if Books are missing something, it's a book (preferrably) that allows us to search for casters (Level 4 or lower, for consistency) or something along these lines. I'm really not sure how many would run DMoC, because while his effect *might* be useful, Junon starts plusing right away, and can do so every turn, as opposed to DMoC's effect. Sure, a 2800 beater is nice, but I'd think twice going into DMoC before Junon.

But really, it's a nice archetype, that may get even better depending on what future support they get. In fact, I'd go ahead and say it was one of the few archetypes done by Konami as of late that isn't outright stupid and packs some sort of ridiculously broken play, which is quite FINE.

Anyway, I like part of the list, but would do something to Hornet as well. Moon might stay at 1, too. And Gale... I wonder. Gale's effect is really great, but I'd still take it over Kalut if I had to pick something to give BW's a boost, lol. Oh, and REDMD to one. Really. Other than that, nice job.

P.S: I'd still run one DMoC, simply because he is the most badass boss monster in this game and everyone loves him, plus, it might be situational, but it wouldn't be a <bad effect>. But it certainly wouldn't make Books of Spell broken, either, nor would DMoC suddenly turn into the boss monster of choice for Temper.

[cardslinger]

Originally Posted by Estelle

I... don't think current Books of Spell is lackluster in the least. And if Books are missing something, it's a book (preferrably) that allows us to search for casters (Level 4 or lower, for consistency) or something along these lines. I'm really not sure how many would run DMoC, because while his effect *might* be useful, Junon starts plusing right away, and can do so every turn, as opposed to DMoC's effect. Sure, a 2800 beater is nice, but I'd think twice going into DMoC before Junon.

But really, it's a nice archetype, that may get even better depending on what future support they get. In fact, I'd go ahead and say it was one of the few archetypes done by Konami as of late that isn't outright stupid and packs some sort of ridiculously broken play, which is quite FINE.

Anyway, I like part of the list, but would do something to Hornet as well. Moon might stay at 1, too. And Gale... I wonder. Gale's effect is really great, but I'd still take it over Kalut if I had to pick something to give BW's a boost, lol. Oh, and REDMD to one. Really. Other than that, nice job.

P.S: I'd still run one DMoC, simply because he is the most badass boss monster in this game and everyone loves him, plus, it might be situational, but it wouldn't be a <bad effect>. But it certainly wouldn't make Books of Spell broken, either, nor would DMoC suddenly turn into the boss monster of choice for Temper.

That's the whole idea with DMoC. He's a great card but he just isn't as broken as he used to be in the past. And also, I feel with Future Fusion banned, REDMD doesn't need a limit. Chaos Dragons are relatively balanced without Future Fusion.

[Chaos3600]

I believe knocking out Hornet is a superior option to limiting Dragonfly, as it allows the deck to still run its cycle of plays without actually being able to deal with threats and maintain board control.

Other than that, great list.

[cardslinger]

I feel that dragonfly is by far the superior limit. Special summoning from the deck which leads to further plusses is just too good. I can't really imagine the deck without hornet though, since it really would not be able to do much of anything besides being a very weak XYZ engine. With dragonfly at 1, the deck loses a lot of speed and those ridiculous dragonfly+hornet+gigamantis/zektcaliber plays are greatly decreased. You also don't have to worry much about a topdeck dragonfly and its far easier to answer only 1 of him.

[Chaos3600]

Originally Posted by cardslinger

I feel that dragonfly is by far the superior limit. Special summoning from the deck which leads to further plusses is just too good. I can't really imagine the deck without hornet though, since it really would not be able to do much of anything besides being a very weak XYZ engine. With dragonfly at 1, the deck loses a lot of speed and those ridiculous dragonfly+hornet+gigamantis/zektcaliber plays are greatly decreased. You also don't have to worry much about a topdeck dragonfly and its far easier to answer only 1 of him.

That's true enough.

Though, I have tested the deck without Hornets in it, and it becomes, as you said, an XYZ engine; a consistant one, one that can play around on its own side of the board nicely, but not one that can set-up actual offensive play.

I feel as though that version of Inzektor.dek is a better option than the slower one that can still pop out threats put can't really bring out worthwhile creatures.

But, its your format, and Dragonfly to 1 does solve the problems surrounding Inzektor.dek, so I won't complain too much.

[Estelle]

Originally Posted by cardslinger

That's the whole idea with DMoC. He's a great card but he just isn't as broken as he used to be in the past. And also, I feel with Future Fusion banned, REDMD doesn't need a limit. Chaos Dragons are relatively balanced without Future Fusion.

He's quite searchable in Chaos Dragons, so I feel 1 is alright, because the card along with Lightpulsar can already do some really silly stuff. But arguably, the real reason it needs to go to 1 is the whole Gustaph Max deal and REDMD's overall use in Hieratics. It's not balanced and honestly, dragon players deserve better than one boss monster who's so good that basically cripples most chances you guys would have of receiving some actual neat support. Surely every time someone sits down to think on new dragon support a question must pop up "but... won't REDMD break this card?".

As for DMoC, I wasn't disagreeing with you there -- I'd be happy to have it back. My reply was more aimed at the people who believe Books of Spell would be broken with DMoC around. As of now, I see very little chance of that happening, and if I were to fear his return, it'd be because of some other random deck that a random player might come up with that breaks him, not DMoC's usage in 'Casters decks.

[cardslinger]

Originally Posted by Estelle

He's quite searchable in Chaos Dragons, so I feel 1 is alright, because the card along with Lightpulsar can already do some really silly stuff. But arguably, the real reason it needs to go to 1 is the whole Gustaph Max deal and REDMD's overall use in Hieratics. It's not balanced and honestly, dragon players deserve better than one boss monster who's so good that basically cripples most chances you guys would have of receiving some actual neat support. Surely every time someone sits down to think on new dragon support a question must pop up "but... won't REDMD break this card?".

As for DMoC, I wasn't disagreeing with you there -- I'd be happy to have it back. My reply was more aimed at the people who believe Books of Spell would be broken with DMoC around. As of now, I see very little chance of that happening, and if I were to fear his return, it'd be because of some other random deck that a random player might come up with that breaks him, not DMoC's usage in 'Casters decks.

well about the hieratic argument, the problem is that hieratics aren't performing that well (even in OCG anymore) and tbh its not hard to play around the deck. Limiting REDMD hurts all dragon decks, not just hieratics. If someone discovered an ultra consistent hieratic build, the real problem would be probably gustaph max itself. But as of now, I feel the deck has its own inherent inconsistency problems.

[ludicrousMatt]

Hmm For once, this list makes sense and hit all the problem cards in this format.

- Cardslinger, I commend you for a good ban list 9/10.

* You would've gotten a 10/10, but the lack of Bls banned/ and the constant limiting of earth would be good. We Don't need anymore agents.

[cardslinger]

Thanks, yeah I'm on the fence about BLS, I just personally like the card since its one of my favorites. It's also only used in Chaos Dragons and they would be hit under this list so I don't feel its necessary.

Also the only good agent build last format was the TGU build. With TGU limited and trishula still banned, I don't feel agents need to still be hit.