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Old 06-09-2010, 12:50 PM   #26
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How about Hallowed Life Barrier.

Discard one card from your hand, and damage you take this turn from your opponent becomes zero.
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Old 06-09-2010, 01:15 PM   #27
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are you talking about frog FTK with Mass Driver or one of the other frog OTKs.
For the FTK dont hurt yourself trying to shut the frogs down just go for stopping Mass Driver. Dark Bribes, Solemn Judgement, MST, etc.

For Frog disruption look to cards like Book of Moon, Kycoo, Crevice Into the Different Dimension, Karma Cut and Royal Opression they are the ones that you can side and still be versitile and not F up your side
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:37 PM   #28
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DD Crow does jack **** against good Frog FTK. They send 3 Rotoadin to grave with Swap Frog ALL THE TIME. Side 3 Hanewata, not 1 or 2. You need it your first turn because they will FTK 80% of the time. Dust, RO, MST, help if u go second only.

Good thing I run Herald deck. 3 Orange, 2 Green, and sidedecked 3 Hanewata, 1 Green, ensure victory.
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Old 06-09-2010, 05:33 PM   #29
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Crow/Crevice and (if your deck is awesome, like mine) Deck Devastation Virus. It would be good to run Hanetawa, you should. Your best chance in most situations is to draw into hanetawa initially, but crow COULD do something if you catch them off-guard (without substi-not very likely)

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Old 06-11-2010, 07:10 PM   #30
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How about Hallowed Life Barrier.

Discard one card from your hand, and damage you take this turn from your opponent becomes zero.
Rainbow Life is simply better.

Hanewata is much better side deck choice than both of them anyway.
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Old 06-12-2010, 02:25 AM   #31
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Hanewata is your best bet. It buys you a turn to get rid of their Mass Driver.
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Old 06-12-2010, 11:33 AM   #32
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Old 06-12-2010, 03:30 PM   #33
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Anyone who said anything besides Hanewatta doesn't get this deck at all.

if you go first, you win. Hell setting Compulsory Evactuation device auto-wins if you can to go first.

so Hanewatta is the only thing to stop the second turn of it.

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Old 06-12-2010, 05:15 PM   #34
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Wouldn't Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell completely dominate this deck?
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Old 06-12-2010, 09:22 PM   #35
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Wouldn't Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell completely dominate this deck?
You have to open with it and go first. So it's a terrible side for the deck.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:48 PM   #36
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Well, if you play fairies, Herald of Orange Light kills Substitoad lol.
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Old 06-14-2010, 04:32 AM   #37
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d.d. crow, Hanewata and perhaps Prime Material Dragon. if you manage to summon prime material before his otk. he will most probably dead that turn.

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royal oppression also help. all depends on his first hand.
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:41 AM   #38
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If you are really worried when the FTK goes first then as already mentioned the only options I know of are Hanewata or D.D. Crow. As most Mass Driver builds run Hand Destruction and Card Destruction you may not need to have them in your opening hand and you will draw into Hanewata or D.D. Crow.

Obviously when the FTK build goes second it is a lot more fragile. The following are some of the cards that can disrupt the OTK, you are probably running some in your build/side already: Mask of Restrict, King Tiger Wanghu, Thunder King Rai-Oh, Doomcaliber Knight, Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer, Crevice Into the Different Dimension, Karma Cut, D.D. Crow, Deck Devastation Virus, Chain Disappearance, Book of Moon, Torrential Tribute, Solemn Judgment, Icarus Attack, Mystical Space Typhoon, Saber Hole, Dust Tornado, Dark Bribe, Des Wombat, Black-Winged Dragon, Prime Material Dragon, Rainbow Life, Skill Drain, Royal Oppression, Macro Cosmos, Dimensional Fissure, Soul Release, Vanity's Fiend. I am sure there are others.

Also a few players misplay/cheat with the build, abusing opponents lack of frog knowledge to improve their odds. So make sure you know all the frog effects/rulings. Some of the big ones are Poison Draw Frog and Dupe Frog missing the timing, Fishborg Blaster is a "Fish" and cannot be tutored to the grave by Swap Frog who can only send LvL 2 Water and "Aqua" and Ronintoadin and Substitoad are "Toads" not "Frogs".
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:50 AM   #39
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Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer-they literally have one out to it, being Brain Control (if they run it)
Crevice Into the Different Dimension

Compulsory Evacuation Device

Royal Oppression

Chain Disappearance

Book of Moon (shuts down Swap Frog)

Macro Cosmos/Dimensional Fissure

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Old 06-14-2010, 12:37 PM   #40
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D.D. Crow would be a good option. Soul Release could help, as long as they don't get the OTK off first. Macro Cosmo and Dimensional Fissure could also be good options as long as they don't screw yourself over. Anything that can remove the stuff from play would work.

Also, since most of the frog OTK builds only run enough frogs to burn you to death and not any more, you could also try Barrel Behind the Door. I haven't actually seen anyone try this yet, but it could work. Black Winged Dragon could also potentially stop it.
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Soul Release could help, as long as they don't get the OTK off first.
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d.d crow only works for one ronin toadin, and they usually run 2, and you wont draw 2, so hanetawa x3 and d.d crow x3 is the best.
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From what I've seen, even though it's currently being called an FTK, chances are that it will take at least 2-3 turns for them to pull it off if not more. That's more then enough time to Soul Release a bunch of the stuff they need for it.
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Hanewata works pretty good but u better win nxt turn and mask of restrick should do just fine . crow dosnt work unless u have 2
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what about Deck Lockdown to buy u some time
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Even running 3 crow sometimes wont help you. Many frog decks run 2/3 ronintoadins so you'll have to draw into 2/3 crows to stop the ftk.
Vs Frogs.. Count them...
18-20 Frogs
4-5 Toads

When they try to loop:

If they have 17 Frogs in grave (assuming they have 1`Substitoad and 1 Swap Frog on the field) and 2 Roanintoads in Grave. > Crow 1 Frog. > GG

They have 19 Frogs in grave (assuming they have 1`Substitoad and 1 Swap Frog on the field) and 2 Roanintoadin in grave> Crowx2 frogs/Crevice 2 frogs > GG
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